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Amazing how much he sounds like Matt Forde in that sketch
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Curious as to which 'people' don't pay at least one of Income Tax or VAT................................
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And those are unchanged. IIRC there was a reference to that time-worn cliché 'working people', which told us that other taxes were going up.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Basically, they meant employee income tax and N.I., everything else was fair game.
I'm surprised at people's surprise since they said Britain was broken and needed fixing. That won't come cheaply.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
On housing, the planning reforms are already ticked off, but we'll obviously have to see how quickly that filters through.
I don't think any of it is particularly populist - populist stuff is pretty much always presented as either easy free goodies or at least someone else is paying. My general impression was that it was presented as necessary but unexciting stuff and we are all very much paying. It was a pretty uninspiring campaign.
Anyway this is a thread about the Conservatives. Back to the original point written by a Conservative on the ConservativeHome website: if making promises magical promises of simple free solutions to difficult problems is not a recipe for success then they should try being more realistic with the public.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Fair point, I will leftie bash in the leftie bashing thread. Otherwise PCSO Brian will hunt me down.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Can we go back to the party where Stevo acknowledged that the Conservatives are currently populist?
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What party? We must have been pissed as I can't remember it.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The Conservatives. You remember them?
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Yep, but you said I acknowledged something at a party.
Anyway for clarity, I said that all parties are populist as they promise stuff for free - including Labour very recently as I explained above.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ah right. So who is more populist, the party of Liz Truss and Rishi 7 priorities Sunak, or doom and gloom Labour?
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You are an intelligent bloke Stevo and I am sure you know it is far more complex than that. All political parties promise the odd freebie to persuade voters, I don't see that as a central foundation of populism. Populism, politically at least, it much more about playing off "the people" vs "the elite", exactly the shtick of Farage et al, and one increasingly undertaken by the last few Tory govts (Truss and her batshit line about the economic elite scuppering her lunatic plans being a good example).
I haven't seen any examples of Starmer and the current govt. telling people that "the elite" are somehow running the country and that malign forces are ruining the lives of ordinary people. That tends to be the preserve of those on the right of the political spectrum.
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In fairness, Corbyn was full of that. 'Big business' is the lefty establishment bogeyman.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Completely agree, and populism tends to be prevalent on the very far ends of both sides of the political spectrum. I would disagree though with Stevo's argument that the current Labour party has shown any signs of being populist.
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WWSD? (What Will Stevo Do?) On the death of the Tory Party...
They won't out-Reform Reform, but they've burnt their bridges with moderate Conservatism. Broken by Brexit.
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I know its more complex but TBH I don't have the time or inclination right now to go into massive detail - in particular as I'm off skiing tomorrow.
In the end all parties promise stuff that they don't/can't deliver and the ones that are labelled populist in Cake Stop tend to be those at the other end of political spectrum from most posters views. And as for the conspiracy theory stuff, lefties are just as bad at making stuff up about the evil rich and capitalists bleeding the proles dry.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No idea, but have a look at my post upthread about what Labour said they were going to do when they were trying to get elected.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
There's a thread for that.
What were the Tories going to do? Oh yes, threaten 0.01% of a group of people willing to rsacrifice their entire worldly possessions and risk death in a dingy, with a safe flight to Rwanda.
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You’re off skiing? What will happen to the ‘balance’ of the Cakestop. You will come back to a load of feral leftie bolloxers.😁
Enjoy your skiing ⛷️
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Skiing, only bourgeoisie lefties go skiing Stevo. Dyed in the wool Conservative voters go grouse shooting or big game hunting. The Cake Stop has cleary made you soft 😂
Enjoy your hols!
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Ta.
It happens every year 🙂 You play nicely and I may even drop in to see how far left things have gone...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So what are you lot still doing in the UK? 😀
Thanks - looking forward to this one, not been to Chamonix in a good few years.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
France is such a terrible, dangerous place. I'm going there tomorrow.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I suspect the skiing is looking very good, from photos I've been seeing from someone who lives there. Have fun.
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Thanks - the place does seem to have a fair bit of snow and its forecast to be clear & sunny for the next week. Just what the doctor ordered...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
I suspect that Badenoch likes to think she's good at off-the-cuff comments. Well, it certainly takes the mind off any substantive policy comments, I'll grant you.
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Poor Kemi will have been misinterpreted again. Give it a day or two and it will be clear what she intended.
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I do enjoy Dunt's writing - obviously because I generally agree on a lot of what he says, but also because he's a good write and an epic swearer.
Some snippets... but it's worth reading in its entirety, unless you believe Badenoch is great. Well, if you do, it's still worth reading.
"It's a difficult period, right after Christmas. Nothing to look forward to, no holidays anytime soon, and spring still a long way away. The days are cold and dark. Most of the time, the weather doesn't even seem to switch on: just a lifeless monochrome grey sludge above you, like someone forgot to complete a painting.
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The perpetrators were often from a particular background, she said. "Very very poor peasant background," she said, "very very rural, almost cut off even from the home origin countries they might have been in." At this point you just sit there blinking. What is happening, you think. What is she saying. She has turned us all into Michael Spicer in the room next door.
Bad as this was, it was the high point of the interview. From this point on, her imagination started to roam wildly, cantering over previously inconceivable intellectual terrain.
"There are some places," she said, the cogs in her brain spluttering into life, "where, when people behave in that way, a mob turns up and burns their homes down, and then they know that they can’t do that sort of thing." What the fuck. What in Christ's name.
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This, of course, is why Badenoch's spokesperson says that "we get too caught up in language". It's because, if you actually listen to the language Badenoch uses, she comes across as extreme, opportunistic, uninformed, haphazard, confused, shameless, contradictory, ideological, petty, misleading, vindictive and insane.
This has been just another week in the life of Kemi Badenoch. It's much the same as any other week. On the one hand, she should really quit: it's dangerous for Britain to have such a weak opposition when the government has such a large majority. But on the other hand: this is simply very, very funny. And by God we deserve something to cheer us up.
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I don't think it's funny how close we are to having "immigrants eating stray dogs" level rhetoric from the opposition benches.
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