Today's discussion about the news
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For a vulnerable person in good health there is zero risk.
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Oregon. Has had analogous laws since 1997, with fewer safeguards.
Is it regarded in the US as a hotbed of elder abuse?
You need to move on from a hypothetical discussion.
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This, you have to be terminally ill to meet the criteria.
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It's a much more difficult and much less certain means than the ones which already exist. It doesn't change the number of vulnerable people or the number of criminals. I suspect the answer to i) is not measurable, but agree with the general principle of weighing costs and benefits.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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The supposed risk that is presented here is almost exclusively from someone's family, not gangs of criminals targeting care homes and hospices to deprive terminally ill people of a few months of misery.
I know it's emotive but let's try to stay rational at least.
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What's the betting Farage is getting significant wads of $s from US anti-abortion groups? I would be surprised if it helps Farage at all in UK political terms, but it'll keep his mind off Clacton.
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Is helping US evangelical groups try to influence UK law part of his plan to take back our sovereignty?
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No. It is part of his plan to extract as much cash as possible.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If Dunt is impressed by the tone of the debate, it must be OK.
And on the direction of where it's going, maybe...
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Blimey, I didn't think enough MPs had the cahunas. I bet if this was out before the MPs we had before the election, it would not have gone through.
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I'm not picking an argument here, but with a population the size of the UK's and human nature being what it is, to claim there is zero risk of an unscrupulous relative taking advantage of any new legislation for their own financial benefit is simply wishful thinking. That's just simple common sense, surely. And I really can't see any reason to pretend otherwise, other than to be contrary.
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Says the man who claims there's no risk! #irony.
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What about the terminally ill person who is quite happy spending their relatives' potential inheritance in their final months?
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True. Care homes hoover inheritance away quite quickly.
Tough.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I know it's complicated so I'll try to explain. The risk to healthy people, which is a group you identified as as being susceptible to coersion, is essentially zero, because the legislation requires a diagnosis of a terminal condition and less than 6 months to live.
The risk to people with a terminal condition and less than six months to live is mainly from family members.
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I genuinely don't think you understand what the legislation does and does not exclude.
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It seems that parliament seems to have made a decision in line with the wishes of the majority of the population and about time too!
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I'm pretty sure these are not the 'good guys'. Just a slightly different flavour of jihadist.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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imo his claim that he's being fitted up by a "handful of middle-class women of a certain age" says more about him than his accusers
fwiw can't stand him, or the other one he presents with, always found them unpleasant
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'fraid so. The pattern seems to be that one group is replaced by a more radical group. The direction of travel seems to be only one way.
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Seems thoroughly unpleasant. Was considered "handsy" when he was on Strictly, Mrs BM reliably informs me.
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Numerous accounts of his behaviour on Twitter, and most of the replies are some bloke confidently claiming that he would have said something at the time if he'd been in that situation. No wonder Wallace is convinced it's just some people out to get him.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Don't understand why this has been headlining BBC news for past couple of days. Are there not rather more significant things going on?
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the bbc hating press have been delighting in it, years of attack by press and, typically, right wing politicians, plus political interference, have left the bbc rather gutless, if the bbc doesn't give it prominence, it'll be accused of cover up
easier to lead with it, especially as they can use his own comments to make him look an utter shit
also, it's cheap, it's the weekend, and years of cuts have depleted the news organization
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Pep Guardiola has just logged into Cake Stop to say that today's defeat to Liverpool was the fault of the right wing press.
Cake Stoppers may like to think back to the similar amount of column inches wasted on Phillip Schofield who was under contract to ITV. The fact that the story is so prominent s more likely due to the modern fascination with the world of celebrity and not the BBC.
i also believe that Masterchef isn't even a BBC programme but made and produced by a French company.
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Meanwhile, in Ireland... they might not be overly happy, but they've not resorted to populism.
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