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Yes, that's my perception too. If there have been any other comments by him making derogatory remarks about voters rather than politicians, I'm not aware of them - it seems out of character for someone who does his best to build bridges with people from all walks of life.
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Must say that all the pearl clutching about being rude to voters is a bit much.
If some voters are claiming to believe fervently in what might loosely be termed traditional conservative values but they are supporting a convicted felon, rapist, inciter of riots and all round, full spectrum piece of work, I think it's only reasonable to point out that they are full of s***.
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Quite, but I don't think it's in Biden's nature to do so. He is obviously willing to call out Trump for what he is.
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I think he probably meant his supporters in general but the more hardcore ones so not all of them, and not every Republican.
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Ah, but the methodolgy definitely hasn't changed, apart from the bits that have.
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Isn't that a different Nate?
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Problem with inflating polls is that it provides ammunition to Trump for when he loses (🤞). He is already stacking up lawyers for his election fraud allegations.
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As per my previous post on Rory Stewart's prediction. This is exactly what he was saying with regards polling, many of them are flattening or putting in large margins of error. Interesting to see the implication that it is more through fear of Trump and his supporters though.
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It's just because it's been wrong twice in a row, why wouldn't you change it?
Rory Stewart being convinced Harris will win is very worrying.
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Was it wrong or do people not understand margins of error?
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TBH, I don't mind if the polls do show it being very close, as that'll motivate more Democrat voters to make the effort.
Meanwhile...
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If your error is always the same direction, you do something about it.
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Thinking about Arnold Palmer…..
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Hmm, Fuentes has been one of MAGA's greatest backers, but now... I realise it's all performative, but even so...
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Strong closing message...
In other news, a pollster in Iowa with a decent record has flipped Iowa to Harris, which apparently is freaking out Trump.
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I mentioned this a while back but Trump and the Reps made a huge mistake messing with Roe v Wade. The abortion right has always been untouchable in US politics, there was a tacit understanding that you leave it alone.
When the SC overturned it, they motivated women even more strongly against Trump and his party.
Women's votes may well make the difference in this election.
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I think it was yet another case of Trump responding to flattery and giving away something in return for it, as I suspect he doesn't really give a monkey's about abortion one way or the other, but the ultra-religious right and white supremacists have for differing reasons ('life begins at conception' on the one hand, and the desire for lots of white babies on the other) knew that getting an ultra-right Supreme Court that would gut Roe v Wade was the way to do it. And Trump realised that to push his oligarchical/dictatorial programme would also be best served by an ultra-right SC too. But in dismissing the strength of feeling of women about their body autonomy, he overlooked that 50% of the electorate are women who vote. Oops.
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Completely agree that Trump bargained it away for his political ambitions and undoubtedly cares little about the issue. Unfortunately for him he is seen as the face of it and thankfully for the rest of us will cop the blame in all likelihood.
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Yup, let's hope so anyway. Sobering to think that without that and without Harris replacing Biden, Trump would be romping home by now.
I must admit I'm enjoying how well the Democrats are trolling Trump, knowing his narcissism forces him to respond and spiral deeper into rambling pushbacks, be that on crowd sizes, his mental acuity, garbage, McDonalds, Hannibal Lecter, etc. So far I've not seen direct reference from them to the microphone blowjob mime, but I suspect even Trump won't be repeating that one.
Anyway, he's nuts.
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Re the Iowa poll that has Harris ahead:
Seems like she has a good record for Iowa, so if she's seen a big swing away from Trump, worth taking note.
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I know it's all noise, but Stewart seems confident. And, incidentally, for RC, Nate Silver thinks Harris will win.
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I am too. I said it months back on this thread that Harris would win comfortably. I am fully prepared to eat humble pie if I am wrong. I know I am hugely biased and want a Harris win but trying to look at it as objectively as I can, I just don't see a Trump win unless something completely unexpected happens with voter turnout and demographics (i.e. huge numbers of young women suddenly turn out for Trump, which I don't think will happen).
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Just for amusement... I don't have this camera operator down as a Trump supporter somehow... I think he/she was just waiting for the inevitable line to cue this...
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Clearly the upper tier was never opened for the event, that often happens in sports venues.
Those seemingly leaving looked like they were still holding their placards, so were they leaving the rally permanently or popping to the loo? Who knows?
I'm no fan of the tangoed Tw@t, but you can create what you want with that sort of clip. It gave us no idea how many of his cult followers had actually turned up, but it looked more than a couple of hundred even from what was shown.
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If you are popping to the loo you leave your placard on your seat. People were obviously leaving, which Trump says never happens at his events. Proven liar.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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I think the upper tier generally doesn't open at sports venues when they can't sell it out, no? Which is kind of the point.
When he says "You don't have any seats that are empty" and then they show this it's kind of poetic.
I imagine it's probably several hours after they were told he'd be arriving, and I have some sympathy with them for needing to be somewhere else other than listening to him bang on about crowd sizes.
Not sure about the "Trump will fix it" slogan either - I don't think that is one that any politician in this country should adopt.
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Nah, he is so compelling that real magas would be prepared to p*ss themselves, than leave while he was saying words.
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Whichever way the vote falls, let's hope it's by a good majority to reduce the aftermath. That's one thing with blighty, it's generally transitioned with grace. Brexit being the exception.
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A lot of the political commentary is that Trump will pursue all manner of legal proceedings to block the result regardless of whether he loses by a decent margin (which would fit with his past history of denial and litigation). One thing that hasn't been mentioned much is the felony charges he is facing. I wonder whether, if he does lose, he uses the opportunity to try and negotiate and end to criminal proceedings against himself in exchange for quietly walking away. Not saying that would be agreed to but rather whether he would propose it.
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