US Politics / Biden thread
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A lot of democracies have large chunks of the electorate that say they don't trust politicians, yet many of those same people will believe the pathological liar (Johnson/Trump for example) and denigrate the realist (Starmer/Harris). It's almost as though they don't want to accept reality.....
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I feel the logic is "they all lie, so I'll pick the ones whose lies I like to hear".
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Nail on head I think.
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It also doesn't help if those in opposition claim to be 'whiter than white' and then when they come to power, are exposed for not being so. It perpetuates the feeling that they are out for themselves primarily.
That said, it is worrying how completely so many MAGA supporters swallow the most obvious lies, even when they are hysterically untrue.
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They claim to be this or that because they are rewarded for such claims with votes. People claim to want politicians who tell the truth, but their voting patterns say otherwise.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Chicken or egg? It's difficult, and some help from the mainsream media would really help, explaining the various correlations between government spending and revenues etc.
Also some financial education in schools would go a long way to helping instead of people coming out of education not understanding anything about finance.
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Not sure which is the chicken and which the egg, but no nobody ever likes to be told that the thing they want costs more than they'd like to pay.
I'm sure you get your fair share of customers insisting that their mate got the same thing for 30% less. I don't think politics is that different.
On financial education, I'd start with just teaching people the difference between a million and a billion. The number of people who think that MPs expenses are a significant consideration in the national budget are alarming to say the least.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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That's not US specific. Although clearly the US ones are more blatant/obvious.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If you look after the millions, the billions will take care of themselves.
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Million wise billion foolish?
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trump is offering vengeance
that's far more attractive than 'truth' for people who think they've been failed by 'the system', and that they'd get decent jobs if only the immigrants were deported and the 'enemy within' locked up
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Strong suggestion from Project 25 that they will round up (illegal) immigrants and put them into deportation camps. Particulalry those that eat the pet dogs.
The word vengance was seen to come out of Trump's mouth a lot in the clips of his rally speeches shown in the BBC programme last night.
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There's also the bollox announcements that a few million pounds will be spent on this or that, which breaks down to about 12p per head. The other chart from hewhoshallnotbenamed showed that the public think that MPs expenses are the third biggest public expenditure after the NHS and the asylum system.🙄
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I find that hard to believe - where is this ?
[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I beg your pardon. Fourth highest.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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What kind of moron thinks mp expenses are higher than pensions.
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Jesus, that's depressing.
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I'd like to know the context - I don't believe people actually think that - if I asked literally anyone I know if more is spent on MPs expense claims or the armed forces they'd laugh at me and think it must be a trick question.
[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I don't see why it's that hard to believe. I spend a lot of my working life explaining to people why things cost what they do and even highly educated, successful people refuse to believe what basic labour and materials cost.
Above a certain threshold, I think all big numbers tend to blur into a sort of unified bigness. I feel we need a Brian Cox documentary with him holding up a jelly baby to represent one person's taxes and then zooming out to a football field or whatever.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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WTF has this got to do with 78 year old Trump and cackling Harris?
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The thread title should be changed to waffle.
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Running a manufacturing business, I concur. I am still surprised when buyers can't get their head around manufacturing costs. I have to explain (we make small parts) that one piece requires feeding into a machine twice, if you order 2000 then that is 4000 separate operations through a machine by hand, which is often 3-4 days of labour.
I do also think there is a case of people wanting to pay what they think it should cost, and there is an air of self entitlement around this. Or worse, people who believe skilled trades aren't skilled at all and therefore shouldn't be charging what they do.
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Pretty obvious if you follow the conversation.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I don't want to. Trump/Harris is the crux.
Great Gramps v The Cackler.
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Meh, what the hell do you lot know, you were all wanging on about Biden when it was clear he should step down.
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You seem to have all the reading comprehension of a large language model.
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Do you think Trump should step down?
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Well that's tough, as quite a lot of people do and neither of us get a say.
F*** knows what someone's laugh has to do with anything. Knowing what Trump is, it's not a difficult choice.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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He'll be 82 the time his tenure will be up. Come on, the guy should be making the best of retirement, playing some golf. It's not slightly on the mature person, it's just the number one position in the Country should be occupied by the best it has to offer. Clearly that's way off the mark.
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