2024 UK politics - now with Labour in charge
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I'd say "some schools". Does that apply in east London? Just as a random example.
PS - Well done Brampton Manor! I am not bashing state schools, I just wish they were all levelled up.
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Some things have vat, some don't.
Why would it being on one level of education mean it will be added to another?
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Great.
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No suggestions for other people to follow, but the article you are referencing is talking about really old news, so I imagine plenty have written about it. It's even been discussed here a lot.
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You first
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That there are currently inconsistencies in the rules isn't an argument for more of them. For what it is worth I think chocolate cake should have VAT added, and there is a decent argument for ironing out some of the historic stuff.
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I'm all for adding VAT to fee-paying alternatives to universally provided, free at the pont of delivery, taxpayer-funded degree level education.
All for consistency me
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I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that because there is a good school in east London and one near where a London architect lives, this is universal or even normal?
The map is interesting. About a 50% lower chance if you are in the north.
Anyhow, my college (in a rich area of the home counties) had at least about 1000 students when I was there (2000 now) and we got two in two years. In fairness that was a 100% applicant success rate.
So it varies hugely.
Also worth pointing out that some colleges have traditionally pretty much had a quota system running from private schools they trust. I don't imagine the crusties who interview now are any different when it comes to state schools they trust.
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That doesn't clear it up for me. Should there be VAT on MBAs?
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Yes.
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French evening classes?
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Consistency of treatment. Why would you treat them differently?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
How much free at the point of delivery tax payer funded degree level education is there? (outside of Scotland). It's reasonable to assume that if there were enough, people would take those options.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
VAT treatment should not be determined purely on affordability for products and services generally, so in that respect, no. However, education is one of those services which is seen as worthwhile to encourage by exempting from VAT, so is not just any old product or service.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Done.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Particularly French evening classes.
And Trumpet lessons.
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OK.
So your point about parents not being able to afford it was not only not nuance, it wasn't even relevant.
Shame
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Then it shouldn't attract VAT if we're trying to encourage participation in third level education.
That's that cleared up.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Good job I'm cutting down then, unless your modest proposal includes lowering the registration threshold to my now even more humble level.
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I read back the last couple of pages and am struggling to where I said that. Hope you're not making things up to claim smartarse points.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
My point was that either you put it on all education services or you don't. I think you're deliberately missing point, but good try.
And now answer my question.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Education isn't cakes. Or biscuits for that matter.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm saying it's a published admission policy that any school should be able to offer to prepare students for. Newham is definitely not a wealthy area - the child poverty rate is 44% - so I think we can discount the wealthy parents theory. Sure that school has made it a deliberate policy to maximise getting students into Oxbridge, but I think that just illustrates the point that it starts with setting expectations.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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The whole thing is arbitrary: it's not just a few inconsistencies. For example, in a new-build house, a gas hob and oven are zero-rated as they are plumbed in and therefore 'incorporated', but electric models attract full VAT as they are merely plugged in. There are lots of similar examples.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I agree that we can take this one example and extrapolate across the entire state sector.
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It's more interesting to look at what they have done and ask why that can't be done elsewhere (it is already being replicated in other state schools).
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Yes, if every state school got 50npeople.intonOxbrodge we wouldn't even need Imperial.
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Try searching your posts for nuance, you won't find any, but the search may lead you to the right post.
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You just didn't like the answer
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