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I really did (stupidly) think they would see sense this time and go for Cleverley. Absolutely insane, they really are quite intent on ruining what was left of their party.
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On the basis that Cleverly was more the 'continuity' candidate and on that basis would be a continuation of what led to the last election result, then this might not be the gift horse that a lot of lefties hope it is. Especially as we have a Labour party doing its best to ensure they are one term wonders.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The only continuity the tories have had in the last couple of years is continuing rightwards.
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Word is that MPs were voting for their second choice as they thought Cleverly was home and dry.🫣
It's pretty clear from the opposite direction that your opposition screwing up is not enough to make people vote for you.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Would disagree that Cleverley is a 'continuity' candidate. Perhaps you could argue he is by association in terms of being a high profile former Cabinet Member, but certainly not ideologically. Agree with @secretsqirrel , it is a continuation of appealing to the right of the party with Badenoch/Jenrick.
The Tories seem to have become like Labour under Corbyn, far more concerned with a dominant idelogical leadership and less concerned with winning elections.
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Put £50 on Jenrick at 3/1 this morning as I think I know how the members will vote. Easy pocket money.
Not convinced enough to go all in though. 😉
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I must admit I'm quite looking forward to Stevo trying to justify every bit of lunacy Jenrick or Badenoch come up with as Team Tory drifts closer and closer to Reform, or maybe even beyond it.
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I thought the members favoured Badenoch
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Depends what time Nurse administers their meds, pre tablets it is Jenrick and post medication time it is Badenoch.
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I'm a little surprised by how highly this forum seemed to rate Cleverly...
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Well I guess if the members get it ‘wrong’ they can always replay it without them as they did with Truss and Sunak.
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Kind of understandable given the accusation that they governed more like the centre left.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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"Not quite as batshit crazy as the others" isn't a ringing endorsement. Well, I think at one stage Tugendhat was viewed as vaguely sensible, but then he dropped any principles he had and went on a game of tag with Reform in order to try to appeal to party members. I can only assume he was knocked out as they didn't think he wasn't genuinely batshit crazy enough to make up for his lack of principles.
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Presumably this is anything that you as an unbiased observer unilaterally label as such? 🙂
Let's not forget that the loss of voters who went to Reform was what cost the Tories dear, not the desirability of Labour policies or candidates. However much you may dislike it, getting those voters back is going to be a part of ridding ourselves of leftiebollox. That and Labour continuing to to balls it up.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Or try recovering the 60 odd seats they lost to the lib Dems...
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I suspect a lot of their gains were down to tactical voting and their inherent pointlessness will come to the fore by time the next election comes.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
A genuine question to you: would you say that the Tory Party has gone rightwards since, let's say, Theresa May, or stayed roughly where it was?
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Why would there be tactical voting if the Tories were so good?
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they're all terrible
the party was hollowed out by the poison of brexit, the competent walked away or were frozen out for ideological impurity
none are fit for government
labour aren't much better, there's a clear lack of experience/competence
ideology is no substitute for ability
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It's all a relative thing. I think he'd do OK as an opposition leader in a party that needs rebuilding, but probably wouldn't have got the members' vote anyway.
I've no idea who the membership will go for now, the soundbites I saw from the conference seemed quite impressed by Badenoch.
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Johnson was a clear step left. Theresa May was happy to create the windrush scandal. She was advised it would happen.
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Sadly after electing Badenoch or Jenrick as leader, you will be subject to at least two Labour led parliaments Stevo (possibly 3). Don't worry, we will draw up a 'Leftiebollox' dictionary so you can follow along with all the terminology 😃
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They won't lead the party into the next election .
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Probably, but with the succession of leaders they are electing it is lika a Russian Doll, the next one gets smaller and more insignificant with each reveal. Eventually they will be led by an amoeba (or Nigel Farage, which is roughly the same thing).
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To be honest I reckon Stevo would be the best chance of a decent Tory leader and he knows fuck all about politics.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Oh I'm sure the polls are more scientific than my limited small sample but going from what tories say in private...
Quite frankly, in my view both are bad options for the good of the country.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I think Kemi could. I don't see any great alternatives and I don't think she'll do such an awful job that there will be a strong enough movement to get rid of her.
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