US Politics / Biden thread

Haha, sorry, this just made I laugh.

doubt his followers will be swayed, but his unhinged display may nudge a few more undecideds to harris

i watched a few clips, he really is barking

If you actually watch the debate he loses it but he doesn't come across as unhinged in the way Biden truly did at times. He does come across as angry and defensive and has trouble defending some of the more extreme things he's said in the past.

It's the more extreme things that Trump says that make him seem unhinged.

I think maybe you have a different definition of unhinged to most. Biden looked lost, weak and confused.

The "they're eating your dogs, I saw it on TV" rant was proper unhinged. So is the "they want to kill babies after they're born". Harris was very good at getting the debate onto territory that makes him look crazy.

He also continues to think that "asylum seeker" means that they are coming from mental asylums.

Sure, it's not unexpected from him, but it's truly unhinged.

He got more and more riled as it went on, with Harris leading him to places that made him go off the rails.

Well done. What's your point?

It might not be new to people interested in politics, but an unvarnished view of him could easily confirm the "weird" vibe.

What would your suggestion be to shift the dial?

I'd missed in the insanity that he claimed Harris wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison.

You keep saying, quite rightly, not to listen to people who hold the same views as us. In that regard, the importance of the debate is not what it revealed to people who know something about the two candidates and are either 100% decided on their vote or close to. It is more about how it played to people who are undecided.

When we are talking about swing voters in the main we are talking about Independents or those who are probably traditionally Republican but dislike Trump, I doubt many true swing voters are staunch Democrats (a hunch, I have no evidence for this). I was listening to the Rest is Politics podcast and they made an interesting point, quite a lot of such voters will know a lot about Trump but not necessarily Harris. Okay, a debate might not shift the dial, but it could. 67 million watched, and we don't know how many of these may have been swayed by it.

I always think of the first Nixon/Kennedy debate. A sweating flustered Nixon gave the impression to many that he was a bit shifty and that worked in Kennedy's favour. A flustered Trump against a pretty composed looking Harris gives a clear optic. Again, maybe it didn't make a difference, but we are not potential voters so we don't know.

Yes, but that is my point. You and I are going to say Harris 'won' whatever that may mean, but that is irrelevant. Say you are a retired steelworker in Pennsylvania, white male in his 60's. You voted Trump first time around but Biden in 2019. You are undecided and don't know anything about Harris and are leaning towards Trump, even though you have strong reservations. Again, we don't know, but debate performance could change your mind.

As we have said, most voters will either be 100% Trump or 100% Harris. You have made the valid point as to what shifts the dial for those who aren't committed. I suspect it is not going to be some major policy change or event, it is probably going to be something that to us would be innocuous, but to someone else may clinch their vote.

And then Comey stiffed her at the 11th hour with the FBI investigation into her email servers that came to nothing - That put enough doubt in voters minds and cost her the election

Absolutely - it's a bit like the Brexit supporters are racist line - insulting people you are trying to win over is not a great argument.

The Democrats are having a bit of fun with their advertising