Today's discussion about the news
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There is also the problem that Rwanda can be unsafe for a the kind of asylum seekers Britain gets. If there were more credible guarantees about safety etc, and a less mercenary agreement where Rwanda shakes the British gov't down, then it would make more sense.
A bit like the EU one, but anyway.
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Deportation to Australia isn't the deterrent it once was.
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I don't think the numbers Rwanda were talking about taking were ever high enough that it would have been a certainty.
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We've been over that before.
BTW you still haven't said what deterrent Labour will implement. (Possibly because the answer is nothing'?) 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't believe in the effectiveness of 'deterrents' - at least ones that any civilised government would consider - for the reasons I've already given so I'm quite happy with the answer being 'nothing'.
If you mean deterrent for those not genuinely in need of asylum then the only thing that is going to work is processing applications promptly and returning unsuccessful applicants to their home country. That requires close cooperation with each relevant country, but in some cases will not be possible. I'm fine with that too.
Any time you're ready with that evidence of a deterrent effect from threatening to deport a tiny number of people to a third country.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I would have thought that you being a resident of the UK would put off the majority of people wanting to seek asylum here.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😉
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It seems to be having the opposite effect, unfortunately 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's probably the 20mph speed limits in the Sevenoaks area which is such a draw.
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They might attract the Centre Leftie Sh1t Drivers Club. But there's not ènough to keep the CLSDC happy I reckon 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Indeed which is why it wasn't much of a deterrent.
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Well, well.
One of the 'protesters with legitimate concerns'.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Actually filmed himself shouting "save our kids".
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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And calls himself a 'critical thinker'. I'm not sure either of those words apply.
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I think that even 'criticism' needs more than animus - it does imply some logical process in its formation, rather than just gut hatred enough to want to kill or maim.
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Jermaine Jenas has been sacked by the BBC after an investigation into complaints about his behaviour. Disappointing, he always gave the impression of being a decent bloke, even though I thought he was a crap pundit.
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I think it's just trying to make getting all your news from Telegram and GBN sound vaguely intellectual.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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As an avid reader of Private Eye and its continuing probing of Ben Houchen, I find this an interesting read. In short, it seems as if most of the local press is taking his 'miracles' at face value, rather than probing as to how he gets the figures. Who'd guess that taking three months of figures in isolation could skew the results?
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You wonder if 25+ years ago the existence of strong local journalism would have dug into that a bit deeper.
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yes indeed
consolidation and gutting of local/national newsrooms, control by vested interests, and the budget cuts in the national/international news organizations, makes it easier to get away with making claims that are not subject to scrutiny, just accepted to provide cheap content
part of the damage to truth and democracy that can occur when true journalism isn't there and the fourth estate is largely in the control of the modern second
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Yes it's a shame that there has been this decline due to the internet and people seeking instantaneous information/news.
This will be fixed by AI internet searching, vetting, then publishing so it will get better and less bias (open source algorithms).
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When do you think this magical AI verification of information will happen? Right now it can't even tell the difference between truth and fiction.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Say about 10 to 20 years time, being conservative.
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Local news has always been difficult to make money from. The problem has just become more acute as other sources have been provided for free. I think the idea of some golden age of investigation is a bit rose tinted. Things were investigated if they sold copies. If no-one was interested it didn't get looked into.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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And by what mechanism can an online source be verified? All that Google's AI bot is doing is collecting everything it can find on the search term and aggregating it. There's no fact checking whatsoever or even an understanding of what a fact is. How do you define verification mathematically?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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That's why AI will work. It just searches for local people's posts, video's, context, verifies it with other people's and packages it up back to the internet. Consice, verified, factual, with limited bias.
When would you say this is likely to happen given the advent of the internet and evolution of the computer in less than fifty years?
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I can't see any mechanism for AI verification because that actually requires people to go out into the physical world and confirm things. All you are suggesting is aggregating the sum of all posts on a given subject. We've just had a very clear demonstration of how that is the very opposite of verification.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Ah, but you don't physically go out and confirm things when you post on here, do you?
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