LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!
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Fair enough.
Does anyone know what the majority was at that point? Simply curious if they were still in charge. 😂
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The 1922 Committee are actually in charge, didn't you know?
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Can't argue with that.
Past tense now though. 😉
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War on drivers.
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These bleepin' woke Low Emission Zones.
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Do you mean the people who live in the low emission zones?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
How many innocents will be killed by Zionists due to the total inactivity of a hopeless government?
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Yet another one leaving, Douglas Ross.
Imagine standing for election while telling your constituents that you are going to quit if you win. 🤔
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He'll only be quitting as an MSP and Scottish Party leader is he wins the Westminster vote (so basically he's saying he'll be carrying on as an MSP and Scottish Party leader).
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I think he might be one of the few successful tories. Lots of well off incomers and a dodgy SNP.
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Seeing as how the wee fanny Ross has some dodgy expenses claims, how long before Police Scotland cordon off his home, erect a forensics tent and dig up his garden? Is standard practice for dodgy financials cases isn't it?
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The stuff about Braverman wanting to merge with Reform is priceless.
"Guys let's team up with the guy who is trying to obliterate us."
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I guess she doesn't really know what she wants to destroy.
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It is genuinely sad to see a once great newspaper reduced to to a rudderless ship of loons. Just remember that David Yelland was once editor of The Sun, so is probably not a screaming leftie.
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Indeed. It's the result of turning from the election-winning strategy of economic pragmatism to the nonsense of exceptionalism & nationalism. I think they'd be polling higher now if they had just admitted their mistake and done the biggest U-turn imaginable.
Don't forget that this Rifkind is the son of Tory government minister Malcolm Rifkind, so probably not some screaming leftie.
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This is a good read from a former Tory Party constituency chairman and Leave voter:
"I witnessed numerous troubling factors at work within the party that have contributed to what looks almost certainly now to be an electoral wipeout on 4 July. Certainly here in the North East, and quite possibly across the UK as a whole. These factors include the chasing of ever more extreme support, the abandonment of competent government for populist showmanship, a declining, ageing and increasingly marginalised membership, unrealistic ambitions, and that most toxic combination of both incompetence and corruption within the party."
"Finally, and most troublingly, a number of scandals in the party locally suggest that the current Conservative Party is beset by a toxic combination of ineptitude and corruption, and hasn’t just lost its way, but has lost its moral compass.
From the selection of clearly unsuitable candidates without adequate background checks, to the mistreatment of party activists leading to suicide and attempted suicide, to the extremely questionable use of police resources to silence critics both within the party and among its opponents, the Conservative Party in this region has shown itself to be willing to cover up its failings by the use of morally (if not legally) corrupt actions. As such it is a party that I am glad to no longer be a member of, and one that I won’t be supporting in the upcoming general election.
It’s no great leap of imagination to suspect that I won’t be alone in that on July 4th. Nor is it any longer fantasy to suspect that the Conservative Party, that great survivor of British politics, is about to face a genuine threat to its very existence.
If so, certainly from my experience as an insider, that fate will be well deserved."
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Must be a Leftie as they're saying much the same stuff as Cake Stoppers who it is established are a bunch of raging socialists.
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D'ye reckon this guy will be a fav for a future tory 'safe seat'?
Lies, deceit et al, he's on form.
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He's in one - mine!!
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Shadow Cabinet announced today.
But, when you lose the election, nobody cares
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Can you play musical chairs when there are too many chairs?
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May as well have waited until they get their new leader in place
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At the moment, I don't really care what they do, given they have made themselves an irrelevance, though in time they need to get their act together to provide effective opposition (though I'm not holding my breath, given their recent history).
I'd be interested to hear @Stevo_666 's views on the party's direction and thence personnel, given how heavily invested he is in the brand, though it seems he views his mission/therapy as being to go on a one-man assault of Labour on CS. Maybe he should be Leader of the [CS] Opposition.
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CS opposition? - it's a dirty but somebody's got to do it...especially since a lot of the claimed non-Labour voters and 'political free thinkers' who try not to align themselves with a particular party in Cake Stop seem to be very quick to defend Labour whenever I mention anything that might be a shortcoming or a problem.
Future strategy is a tricky one but the priority has to be getting the lefties out as soon as possible so we need to be pragmatic. Given that Labour got less votes and a lower share than a GE when Corbyn was in charge, but a lot of Tory support went to Reform, the key thing is to get back voters who left the Tories. From what I see the main complaint from many voters was that the Tories weren't conservative and/or governed more like a centre left party in some respects. While some of the issues like tax was largely driven by the costs of things like Covid and Ukraine, perception is reality.
The thing they need to look hard at is whether the old adage that you 'win from the centre' still holds true - it doesn't seem to have done them much good this time (see point about perceptions above) and there are quite a few examples around Europe - like France just now - where that hasn't been the case either. I suspect that we will need to see how things play out over the next few years and adapt accordingly but may be too early to jump just yet.
Also given that the level of support for Labour is not that strong as mentioned above, they may not get too much time to deliver before sentiment turns. Especially on key issues like immigration and the economy. Here's hoping. In the meantime I'm keeping a close eye on how they try to raise more revenue and be ready to mitigate the impact on me where I can.
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You seem to be expecting Labour to fix things in days that the Tories didn't fix / made worse over a period of 14 years. It looks like the Conservative strategy is going to be to blame Labour for all the ills in they've inherited so maybe you really are their strategist.
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I have to say, if your average Tory voters perception is that the Conservative party were trying to win from the centre, that is not what the evidence suggests at all. Conservative policy (Rwanda being a prime example) has been focussed largely on the extreme right of the party. The last few years have seen attacks on the judiciary, treasury, civil rights etc., all of which are central themes of the Populist playbook. The reason the Lib Dems took 70 plus seats (mainly from the Tory's) was exactly because they occupied the centre ground. Labour won a 412 seat landslide exactly because they occupied the centre ground, something that Starmer has spent the last few years carefully cultivating.
The idea that people who vote Reform are traditional Tory voters also doesn't seem to be borne out by polling. They want to vote Reform, they have no interest in voting Conservative.
Anyone who looks at the election results and suggests that what the public wants is a more right wing Government, and that the Tory party should pursue a partnership with Reform or continue on this path to the right is not basing their assertion on any discernible evidence.
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This is just very odd, given children aren't being "mutilated" in this country.
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