2024 Election thread
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I think he's just annoyed because Ed Davey has shown you can do all this on the campaign trail and win.
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result explained for the americans...
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Although I think I still prefer him to Suella Braverman and Farage.
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I'll grant you that Baker is a tw*t, but do you have any comments on his three motivations for getting Parliament?
- Financial mismanagement related to the GFC
- Extraordinary rendition
- Not being allowed a vote on the EU Constitution / Lisbon Treaty
The effects of the first are still being felt, the second is surely not a great chapter in the UK's history and at a personal level, the last is when I realised that politicians collectively are really a bunch of duplicitous sh*ts who don't have the interests of the "little people" at heart, rather than politicians just getting a bad press from time to time.
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I realise it's not my question to answer but...
Clearly financial mismanagement around the gfc is bad. But my superficial understanding of Steve Bakers point is that he doesn't agree with modern economics. Which is fair, he may well be correct, but there's no a groundswell of people who agree with you, it's all a bit pointless.
Extraordinary rendition is obviously pretty much unforgivable.
I think the Lisbon treaty is a bit of a niche issue for most people.
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The content of the Lisbon Treaty is probably "niche" but the whole saga was very telling.
EU Big Cheeses pushed for and national governments then promised referendums on the Constitution.
France and Holland vote against Constitution in sizeable proportions.
All other national-level refs were cancelled.
Content of Constitution was then packaged up as the Lisbon Treaty, with no intention of letting the voters have a say, other than where required by country-level constitutions e.g. Ireland.
Lisbon Treaty then ratified by national Parliaments.
All fine and dandy, as national Parliaments are sovereign and all that, but as an exercise in reading the mood of the people it was an "epic fail", as the Big Cheeses wildly overestimated the popularity of the Constitution. And obviously, as an exercise in letting the people decide it was an "epic fail" as once the Powers That Be discovered that they were going to lose, they forced through the result they wanted on the somewhat spurious pretext that the Lisbon Treaty wasn't the Constitution and therefore the promised referendums no longer had to be held. I'm fairly sure this was one of the situations where Ireland got to vote again as it hadn't delivered the "correct" referendum (required by its constitution) result first time round.
Brown made it worse for himself by sending Miliband to signing ceremony in the hope that no-one would notice that he was involved in the UK's decisions to renege on its referendum commitment.
We'll never know, but I think there's a good chance Brexit would have been avoided had the UK voters been allowed to flex their Eurosceptic credentials by nuking the Lisbon Treaty / Constitution.
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Even people in Northern France are celebrating the Labour win...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They are all ex Tory MPs.
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Gaza candidate
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I wondered what he was up to these days. Glad he's pulled himself together and got off the sauce.
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Yes, if the Tories had won, all those people would have packed up the camp and headed home 😄
This is clearly quite the deterrent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68932830
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Nadine Dorries is completely and utterly mental.
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I greatly enjoyed the channel 4 coverage when it was announced that Harriet Harman was appointed to the House of Lords, followed by 10 minutes of discussion about how many Tory appointees there have been recently while Nad sat there bristling.
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I don't see how the Lisbon treaty getting voted down would have helped significantly...
Possibly would have scared governments off from holding referendums, but I don't think it would have taken the wind out of Farage and UKIP - after all even full Brexit didn't get rid of him.
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Johnson had a scholarship at both Eton and Oxford according to wikipedia. He also went to Primrose Hill Primary School at some point which is a state school.
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Having been caught out by this before I now wonder how true it is. Could be true but Wikipedia is easily modified.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So why are they so happy?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I believe he got a scholarship but it covered less than half the fees. He's an academically bright bloke but I don't think someone whose family can stump up over 50% of the Eton fees has experienced (financial) hardship. It's weird coming from Dorries who did genuinely start from working class roots but she has an obvious infatuation with him.
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If you read the personal life section of Stanley Johnson's Wikipedia page it doesn't exactly read like son of a coal miner. More like a page from Aristocrat Monthly magazine.
The notion Boris wasn't privileged is absurd beyond belief.
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1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Were all his brothers and sisters privately educated? If so it would be an impressive chunk of money.
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I'm not sure why she can't just admit that her judgements are based on Boris's charisma and Cameron's lack of it, rather than insisting on some kind of boring reverse snobbery that she then has to ignore for Boris.
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Yes, so Rory Stewart was wrong. Nadine may also becwrong.
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I thought he got to Eton on a whiff whaf scholarship.
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Listening about Rachel Reeves, it sounds like she going to be a good Chancellor and not only that actually wants the job.
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this from rory stewart sums it up pretty well...
"labour must demonstrate that it can improve people’s lives and transform public services — and soon — or we may look back at the british election of 2024 as merely a pause on the journey to polarization and the fantasies of populism"
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He's clearly watched the Johnathan Pie video posted upthread.
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