Today's discussion about the news
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Going to be awkward when Ireland make use of the agreement they already have in place with the UK.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Have you ever considered that calling people scum because they have different political views from yours might not make you look like the sharpest tool in the box?
Mind you, supporting the SNP probably doesn’t help either 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
🤔🤔🤔🤔 kettle pan.
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Feel free to quote me where I've called anyone scum on this forum.
Is this a case of lefties of a feather stick together? 🤔 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Weird how you're happy to chuck other insults around but get all righteous about one particular word.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I think "leftie" is about as bad as it gets. And to be fair, Stevo takes it back okay.
That said, I thought "scum" was synonymous with "Tory"? 🤡
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there are scum in all the parties
whichever party is in government is free to elevate their scum or keep them down, over the last 10-ish years the scum have largely taken over control of the tory party
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What you ate suggesting is basically a pyramid scheme with huge consequences for the culture of our society. Talking about integration when immigration is over 500k and huge numbers are from non western countries is pie in the sky. We are creating parallel communities that we have seen end in conflict elsewhere - it may not be in most of our lifetimes but who knows
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Let’s face it the whole concept of national boundaries, identities and cultures has changed constantly over the centuries. Maybe all the Angles and Saxons should go back where they came from. More recently Italy and Germany only became countries as we know them today 160 years or so ago. Then we have pretty much the whole English speaking world that wasn’t an English speaking world until a few hundred years ago.
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Not sure we are actually. I posted something the other day about children of immigrants doing better in the UK than in our peers.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Time was that one's bit of the world would suddenly become part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire or passed off to the Habsburgs, just because of a particular aristocratic marriage.
If people are clutching their pearls over a few tens of thousands on the move due to a few small conflicts, wait until the serious climate change kicks in.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Jeremy Warner, in The Telegraph:
"Take all these things together, and again according to OBR calculations, net immigration at 350,000 a year yields a reduction in government borrowing of around £7.4bn a year.If on the other hand, net immigration were to be reduced to 150,000 a year, which would be more in line with the Jenrick proposals, borrowing would be £19.9bn a year higher and debt 3.1pc higher as a proportion of GDP by 2028-29."
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Apparently the UK managed to fly someone out. So the scheme is only on -5 people successfully removed now!
Although if we include the numbers in Ireland the scheme becomes somewhat more successful. However, the 2000 ish camped out there is less than half of the total crossings for this year.
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The guy volunteered to be deported to Rwanda as his asylum application had been rejected. So not part of the scheme.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It's funny that the finite amount is always whatever it is right now, and never a limit in the future. People have used this argument forever. Remember back in 1850 when they were saying the UK was too full of people? At a mere 27 million people?
I think in general the labour imports Britain has lost from Brexit have been quite costly as they usually were already pretty well integrated (being part of the single market already obviously) and so had a lower social cost to their arrival. It stands to reason that, within reason, labour from similar cultures with shared values have a lower cost of integration. That's not a racist code by the way; I mean it literally.
Also, labour that comes from nearer places have fewer incentives to bring the rest of their family along, so there are fewer costs there.
Basically free movement of labour is the most efficient way of doing it and creating artificial barriers only makes it more costly to get the labour in that you need. Who knew.
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Bleedin' woke righties clutching their pearls.
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This does read a bit like free movement for white people is ok.
I've never noticed the supposed integration issues.
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Then I didn't word it correctly. Free movement is great for everyone. But just like trade, there are advantages for finding labour closer to home.
Look I'm actually involved in trying to make labour more efficient. That's basically my job - I'm a labour arbitrager. I frankly couldn't give a sh!t who you are, where you're from or what you look like. About a third of people I place I have never seen because I've done it on the phone.
I see first hand the cost of barriers for labour movement. The amount of people who would have been better in a job, and so more valuable and earned more, who can't do it for all sorts of reasons - it's costly to an economy.
I'm self interestedly, but also genuinely believe that free movement of labour is a force for good.
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I've been called many things before but righteous isnt one of them 🙂 if Loon wants to do an impression of honest Ange Rayner he can, but he's going to get the p1ss taken for it.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's best to start with short sentences 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Being wrong then doesn't mean it's wrong now as the numbers are much higher. What would your upper limit be for the population of this country? Logically, there must be one.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You seem to be struggling with the point about deterrence.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You tell me. I don't think there is one, realistically.
Bangladesh is roughly 4x-5x as dense as the UK is, so start there.
UK has what, 279 people per square kilometre. Netherlands, a food and gas exporter, has what, 580 per square kilometre? Bangladesh has 1,300 per square kilometre.
UK is not full by any stretch.
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So let me just check: you think that this country can accommodate an infinite number of people?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe in the minds of Angela Raymer and Orraloon?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
When we're all sat on each others knees, people probably won't to live here any more so it will self regulate somewhere before infinite population
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Looks like it's awkward for Ireland as they insisted on an open border between Ireland and NI as part of Brexit and they're now facing the consequences.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So the plan is working (as long as you don't need care homes to be able to function):
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Well said. As I mentioned above, it's a big Ponzi scheme and has to stop at some point.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
