2024 Election thread
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Doesn’t bode well if that is the level of thinking for fixing the country’s big issues
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What did you expect from Labour?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I’ll still take it over what we’ve had for the last 8 years
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I'm sure you don't have a crystal ball so you may come regret wishing that.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You must have a very bleak view on the nation's prospects if you think this is the best we have.
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I think even Stevo knows this lot are toast. Wrecker Frost does too. The poll was commissioned by a Tory donor.
Genuinely hated Corbyn, for all sorts of reasons, (and think he's probably a deluded crank) but this time round I'd have voted for him if he could push my Tory MP out, despite him being partly responsible for Brexit. It's a measure of how much I think the tories have completely lost the plot, on pretty much every issue and principle.
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Just a dose of realism for those who think that Labour will rock up, wave their little leftie magic wand and solve all of our problems.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
As opposed to the actual reality of what we've been subjected to. Seems like a good bet to me, even if it's just less shit than what we've got. And that wouldn't be hard.
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Who are you referring to?
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Anyone who thinks that way.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That’s the best I’m hoping for in the next parliament to be honest.
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As I've said above, let's try some sensible management management of net immigration to control demand for housing as part of the solution.
The article below shows that this is is a very popular option with the UK public and is not (as some on here claim) a view mainly reserved to nasty Tories, pensioners and Brexiteers:
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Hopefully the UK election will give us a better choice than US citizens are likely to get !
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Sunak v Starmer is clearly a better choice than Biden v Trump.
Sad state of affairs though.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Keep on showing naive lefties and centre lefties the error of their ways? Especially the ones who earn good money and should know better.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
There’s been 14 years in which the Tories could have cut immigration if that’s the solution so either they are incompetent, concentrating on the relatively small numbers coming in illegally whilst waving through hundreds of thousands a year via legitimate channels or they realise that immigration is a requirement to keep the country running.
if it’s the former then it seems it’s time for someone else to try. If the latter then cutting immigration may be a popular policy but it isn’t a solution. People widely don’t like immigration because they don’t think about how the country would cope without it.
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So you have a super tight labour market, zero economic growth, mass shortages across all public services, especially in all care sectors, a shrinking workforce and growing retired population and your solution is to cut immigration?
At least we have evidence that this housing crisis improves fertili…oh wait, no, that makes it worse.
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It's not so much what the nasty Tories might have done or not done, rather my thoughts on what might work. It's more feasible than Ricks idea to just build millions of houses everywhere.
Also I think you and a few other take comments about sensible management of immigration to mean no immigration (hence your comment about how the country would cope without it). I chose my words above deliberately.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Interesting trying to position building more houses as a radical solution, rather than a target the current government actually put in place then consistently missed.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It would be interesting if I had said that. Read my posts above and you'll see that I put it forward as part of a potential solution.
And your solution is....?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I can't see any suggestions from you in the past couple of pages that house building is part of the solution. Just strawmanning against imaginary posters who think labour are going to magically solve everything and a lot of focus on reducing immigration.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I would assume that the Government believe they already have a sensible policy on immigration after all this time to put one in place. Are you saying they don’t?
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Give them time, these things don't happen overnight. At least we know they are capable of organising a party in a pandemic , the Tory equivalent of a piss up in a brewery I guess.
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"Sensible" is pretty meaningless to be honest. No one would sincerely argue for a policy they thought was stupid. The current numbers possibly seem excessive and I think there are a couple of easy wins that Rishi is taking
Limiting dependant visas for students to post graduates.
Getting rid of the rule that allows immigrants to be paid 20% off the going rate in "shortage" professions.
Fundamentally, if you're judging on numbers Conservative immigration policy has been a total failure.
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For whatever reasons, its not keeping the numbers down to sensible levels. Do you think any other party will do any better?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You haven't looked very hard. I suggested above controlling net immigration to reduce demand for housing.
Back to you...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
How do you propose to solve the very tight labour market, gigantic understaffing across all public sectors, a shrinking workforce and a growing dependent demographic of retired people by reducing immigration levels?
Has it not occurred that the reason immigration is so high is because demand for it in the UK is incredibly high?
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Ok so where you said:
let's try some sensible management management of net immigration to control demand for housing as part of the solution.
The other "part" was left vague so you could claim it was whatever you fancied later on? Or have you actually talked about house building somewhere?
- Genesis Croix de Fer
- Dolan Tuono0
