Build your ultimate sprint team
No_Ta_Doctor
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8 riders. Past or present. Your goal: to win every sprint stage in the TdF, including in Paris.
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My picks:
Sprinter: Cav
Lead out: Renshaw, Eisel, Koen de Kort
The meat: Tony Martin, Michael Rogers, Ji Cheng, Kiriyenka
They're also going to kill the TTT.
8 riders. Past or present. Your goal: to win every sprint stage in the TdF, including in Paris.
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RichN95 wrote:If you type in Best Cycling Lead Out into Google, eight of the top ten are about Renshaw. His Wikipedia page is fourth pick.
Fabio Sabatini rightfully gets a nod. Gianni Lombardi defined the role in its modern sense. Marco Velo and Danilo Hondo developed it. Tom Veelers with Koen de Kort changed the game (the second last man - Eisel for Cavendish - is the most underrated role in cycling)
But if you're picking your all time dream squad Renshaw is in.
My picks:
Sprinter: Cav
Lead out: Renshaw, Eisel, Koen de Kort
The meat: Tony Martin, Michael Rogers, Ji Cheng, Kiriyenka
They're also going to kill the TTT.
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Cav
Renshaw
Cancellara
Hincape
Sean Yates
Riis
Keisse
Keisse counts double since he’s so good at it so there’s my eight.
Or add dries devenyns.0 -
It's already been done: HTC 2009.
Maybe swap Kirchen or Monfort out for Peter Sagan to pick up all all the lumpy ones too.0 -
underlayunderlay wrote:It's already been done: HTC 2009.
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Ride on the front all day. Then ride so fast in the last 15km that no one could pass them"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
You guys have some big names with their own ambitions in your teams. You see Kelly, Riis and Cancellara breaking themselves every day to get Cav over the line?underlayunderlay wrote:It's already been done: HTC 2009.
Maybe swap Kirchen or Monfort out for Peter Sagan to pick up all all the lumpy ones too.
Yeah, was trying to do an all-time. Looking at it, I seem to have chosen 5 of the HTC 2009 TdF team anyway:
Cavendish Mark
Martin Tony
Hincapie George
Monfort Maxime
Rogers Michael
Renshaw Mark
Eisel Bernhard
Grabsch Bert
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No tA Doctor wrote:Cavendish Mark
Martin Tony
Hincapie George
Monfort Maxime
Rogers Michael
Renshaw Mark
Eisel Bernhard
Grabsch Bert
Kirchen Kim
That really was a great team!Correlation is not causation.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Yeah, was trying to do an all-time.
TBF I basically nicked Douglas Adams' line about the Beatles (I think).
It's hard to see how they could have been improved though - you've got the diesel power, you've got the wise heads, you've got some very fast people for the last few km, a lead-out man who raised the bar and a sprinter who could pull wins from nowhere. And you've got a proven team synergy, which as you say is where an all-star proposal is likely to fall apart.
Alternative proposal: Cipollini's team, as long as it includes the bloke from the Giro who designed an unholy number of sprint stages for him to win.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:You guys have some big names with their own ambitions in your teams. You see Kelly, Riis and Cancellara breaking themselves every day to get Cav over the line?underlayunderlay wrote:It's already been done: HTC 2009.
Maybe swap Kirchen or Monfort out for Peter Sagan to pick up all all the lumpy ones too.
Yeah, was trying to do an all-time. Looking at it, I seem to have chosen 5 of the HTC 2009 TdF team anyway:
Cavendish Mark
Martin Tony
Hincapie George
Monfort Maxime
Rogers Michael
Renshaw Mark
Eisel Bernhard
Grabsch Bert
Kirchen Kim
Pre doping Riis and Cancellara did decent turns in the final at Saxo0 -
I was half hoping somebody would find an argument for putting the Tashkent Terror in, but I guess nobody was that daft.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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No tA Doctor wrote:I was half hoping somebody would find an argument for putting the Tashkent Terror in, but I guess nobody was that daft.Twitter: @RichN950
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No tA Doctor wrote:I was half hoping somebody would find an argument for putting the Tashkent Terror in, but I guess nobody was that daft.
I haven't done one yet was going to go down a different route of a team of top class sprinters on the basis one of them would win so Abdu would be in that.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Rules:
8 riders. Past or present. Your goal: to win every sprint stage in the TdF, including in Paris.
Inspired byRichN95 wrote:If you type in Best Cycling Lead Out into Google, eight of the top ten are about Renshaw. His Wikipedia page is fourth pick.
Fabio Sabatini rightfully gets a nod. Gianni Lombardi defined the role in its modern sense. Marco Velo and Danilo Hondo developed it. Tom Veelers with Koen de Kort changed the game (the second last man - Eisel for Cavendish - is the most underrated role in cycling)
But if you're picking your all time dream squad Renshaw is in.
My picks:
Sprinter: Cav
Lead out: Renshaw, Eisel, Koen de Kort
The meat: Tony Martin, Michael Rogers, Ji Cheng, Kiriyenka
They're also going to kill the TTT.
Ji Cheng out, Ekimov in for me
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Pross wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:I was half hoping somebody would find an argument for putting the Tashkent Terror in, but I guess nobody was that daft.
I haven't done one yet was going to go down a different route of a team of top class sprinters on the basis one of them would win so Abdu would be in that.
So you've got the 8 best sprinters, wheel-surfing without leadout... and which teams are going to bring the break back and pull on the front for the finish for you?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Merckx surely. Because otherwise someone else would have him.0
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Surely if you want to win every sprint stage you need to have two sprinters?
Otherwise a rider on another team who had kept powder dry would get lucky sooner or later.
I mean, even with 2009 Cav/HTC, you wouldn't bet against 2013 Kittel pinching a stage... or Greipel for that matter, who had a long running habit of getting one at least.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Pross wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:I was half hoping somebody would find an argument for putting the Tashkent Terror in, but I guess nobody was that daft.
I haven't done one yet was going to go down a different route of a team of top class sprinters on the basis one of them would win so Abdu would be in that.
So you've got the 8 best sprinters, wheel-surfing without leadout... and which teams are going to bring the break back and pull on the front for the finish for you?
I was thinking the 6 best sprinters plus Cheng and Tony Martin then a free for all sprint0 -
Pross wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:Pross wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:I was half hoping somebody would find an argument for putting the Tashkent Terror in, but I guess nobody was that daft.
I haven't done one yet was going to go down a different route of a team of top class sprinters on the basis one of them would win so Abdu would be in that.
So you've got the 8 best sprinters, wheel-surfing without leadout... and which teams are going to bring the break back and pull on the front for the finish for you?
I was thinking the 6 best sprinters plus Cheng and Tony Martin then a free for all sprint
Post it up.
Oh and Abdoujaparov will manage to take out your entire team, leaving it open for... errr... Boasson Hagen.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
TimothyW wrote:Surely if you want to win every sprint stage you need to have two sprinters?
Otherwise a rider on another team who had kept powder dry would get lucky sooner or later.
I mean, even with 2009 Cav/HTC, you wouldn't bet against 2013 Kittel pinching a stage... or Greipel for that matter, who had a long running habit of getting one at least.
Well in 2009 there were ten flat stages and Cav won 6 of them. 3 were won from the break, and the last was Hushovd - in an uphill drag after a pretty rolling day for being classified as flat.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:Who would be in the car?
Well Cav is at the pointy end, so I reckon Rolf Aldag and Brian Holm.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Who would be in the car?
Well Cav is at the pointy end, so I reckon Rolf Aldag and Brian Holm.
So I can’t pick that too?0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Who would be in the car?
Well Cav is at the pointy end, so I reckon Rolf Aldag and Brian Holm.
So I can’t pick that too?
Well it's not a sweepstake. Otherwise I'd not let you have Cav.
Of course, if you're worried about reputational damage from picking the same as me I can't help you, but consider it a real risk.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
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Renshaw was dogsh1t. Anyone could have looked good piloting Cavendish in his prime. This was clearly shown by Cavendish’s ability to surf wheels later in his career and the fact that Renshaw was utterly hopeless in any role after moving on.
And I never buy any of that “team did a great job” Cav used to spout. 99% was his talent and speed.0 -
Arnaud Demare?
No, wait - I thought you said holding the car.0 -
Van Aert is looking like a great addition/substitution for any sprint team - huge pulls and enough speed to take the win himself if it comes to it.0
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