Lance Armstrong-Where's the evidence?

RichN95 wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Just to mention... and I've mentioned it before to a mixed response... A good buddy of mine has only just retired from playing top of table premisership rugby in the front row. As of a couple of years ago when I last asked him, he said he wasn't aware of any steroid or other drug abuse in rugby. I'll add that unlike most front row players he's a clever bloke (PHD and now studying medicine) and was definitely not lying.

Creatine, whey protein shakes, eating ridiculous amounts of food and plenty of time lifting weights in the gym is the formula. Rugby certainly seems to have quite an honest culture and a lot of effort goes in to becoming a big ol' lump.

Just passing on what I know from an insider at the top level (in England at least).

A physio I know who used to work in semi-pro English rugby (didn't say which team) tells a different story. He said they only did it in the off season to build bulk, but reckoned you had to do it for your own safety.

Welsh amateur rugby is absolutely swimming in roids - especially up in the valleys.

Yep, I know of a club player at premiership level who went 'injured' when the testers turned up and afterwards had to leave the club as he refused an ultimatum to stop. Some of the bulking up is no doubt down to the professionalism in the game now with players weight training daily and having nutritionists but I think the issue is bigger lower down where players are trying to make it into the professional ranks.

ddraver wrote:

pffftt...??? Dunno I never did it. I just used to have a bacon sandwich and a bottle of Lucozade on the way up (you can tell how good I was can't you...)

The idea was the ibuprofen stopped anything hurting so much (erm...) and the pro plus stopped you getting tired (more plausable, but not for 80 mins)

Caffeine is a performance enhancer often used pre-match. I think it's banned over a certain dosage... Googled.. According to this http://www.cptips.com/caff.htm it's 12 micrograms/ml urine in the US.

Caffeine is a performance enhancer often used pre-match.

I tried a red bull before a time trial once. 10 minutes in I thought I was going to throw up.
I should of popped some Ibuprofen too. Might have stopped my undercarriage feeling like someone had taken a jack hammer to it.

Sorry, back on topic. Where's the evidence then, eh?

fidgetyphil wrote:

Sorry, back on topic. Where's the evidence then, eh?

Travis Tygart of USADA has it. Once he has finished his 'Aren't I Clever' tour of the world's media, he'll hand it over to the UCI.

ddraver wrote:

It is something that the RFU/WRFU should look at, clubs are usually run on such tight budget that they could nt afford to do any testing themselves.!

Er no they shouldn't! This is akin to saying the UCI should look at testing when it's obvious they're the last ones who should be drug testing. Sport governing bodies are there to arrange a framework for the sport to operate in, they're not there to police drug testing. That's the job of anti doping agencies like UKAD or WADA or USADA or AFLD.
As we've seen, getting governing bodies to arrange drug testing is asking for trouble

bompington wrote:

Matchstick Man wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Unlike cycling, traditionally the only drug commonly abused in rugby is alcohol. I'm not sure if the culture has changed that much over the years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/ma ... ague-drugs

The first bust for human growth hormone was in Rugby.

Ah, but that's not proper rugby

Ba dum tish! I'll set them up, you bat them down

Well true HM - but watch what happens when you put monsters/oxen on bikes and try and make them ride up hill! I could snap some of my cycling club mates in a ruck, but it sucks to be me when we re on bikes!;)

MM - calm down, it's only the internet, If it's WADA's problem then why isnt testing across all sports identical?

I always thought LA was doping, he was suffering one day and killing the peloton the next. I always thought it was clever US Sports Science or treatments to stop cancer coming back. in reality he was just another cheating doper.

If you read this; http://www.scribd.com/collections/23833 ... -Armstrong it seems to me possible Cortisone (from memory) abuse at 7-eleven/Motorola could actually have given him Cancer. Its the most fucked up story I have ever read. If its true of course :roll:

Another bit of fun are these two storeys, first from The Independent and the other from the er Independent;

1. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 72244.html

2. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 11896.html

I love the way FIFA doctors show concern that none of the players were injured as a result of eating contaminated meat, phew, what a relief!

Imagine our heroes at team Sky are clean (they are, they said so!), and as a result, the rest of the peloton are motivated to ride clean (they do too, they said so) AND then Sky dominate the Tour (s), how long before a team offers a bonus to beat Wiggo, the rider just cant do it though, so, BOOOM Festina(enter team name here) 2015 is coming.

If you are a top sports person, 99.235678 times out of 100 to be the best you will need to cheat, its just cycling take the publicity whack for all sports IMHO, eek, am I really that bitter.

Thank God none of our cycling legends doped eh

Nick Fitt wrote:

If you are a top sports person, 99.235678 times out of 100 to be the best you will need to cheat

Thank goodness that with all the ill-informed guesswork going on, someone has finally managed to quantify the prevalence of doping with absolute precision :roll:

So what's the explaination for the increase in pack weight and size over the past 10 years if it isn't doping?

Gyms.

That place where no doping happens.

Gyms huh. Been having a rather heated conversation on another site with some US folks who are body builders and weight lifters. There seems to be a prevalent attitude that its ok, everybody is doing it and all you need to do is have an idea what you are doing and what the dangers are. No problem as its only for non competitive use ie just to give you a better physique. They couldn't figure out at all what this fuss about good ol LA was all about. Very odd I thought