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rick_chasey
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Is sport trivial?
I said it was as a throwaway comment and the place erupted.
I figured it was a given - apparently not.
Do you guys think it's trivial?
I said it was as a throwaway comment and the place erupted.
I figured it was a given - apparently not.
Do you guys think it's trivial?
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Rick Chasey wrote:Is sport trivial?
I said it was as a throwaway comment and the place erupted.
I figured it was a given - apparently not.
Do you guys think it's trivial?
Another classic misjudgment, which you were foolish enough to say out loud.
Anyway, Napoleon, when are you going to let DDD back into the playground?0 -
Yes, especially football. The fact that one of our buyers would take a day off if his team lost always amazed me. It's only a game (one the fat f@cker could never play I grant you) get over it.0
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Rick Chasey wrote:Is sport trivial?
I said it was as a throwaway comment and the place erupted.
I figured it was a given - apparently not.
Do you guys think it's trivial?
Didn't DDD get banned for such trolling?0 -
Mods, please move this post to Bikeradar Office0
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*sighs*...
More interested in discussing people on the forum than stuff?
Fair enough.
The ban lasts a week - to the minute.0 -
Sport: An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.
Much of it is of little importance to me - in that sense the individual competition is trivial.
In the wider sense the whole sports industry is far from trivial - it is providing a lot of jobs and encourages activity - what else should we be doing with our time?0 -
Slowbike wrote:Sport: An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.
Much of it is of little importance to me - in that sense the individual competition is trivial.
In the wider sense the whole sports industry is far from trivial - it is providing a lot of jobs and encourages activity - what else should we be doing with our time?
The second bit was the bit they said didn't make it trivial.
I said it was just another entertainment industry, like film or TV which made money out of ultimately trivial past-times.
But then they said by that reasoning more or less everything bar death is trivial.
I can see where they're coming from, but I can't really bring myself to think me cycling, whether it's in a race or to work is anything but trivial.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:*sighs*...
More interested in discussing people on the forum than stuff?
Fair enough.
The ban lasts a week - to the minute.
Week from the offence or to the ban starting?
I guess sport being trivial is pretty subjective. There are a lot of sports I would see as boring and trivial. But if you were an athlete making your living from it, it wouldn't be.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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pangolin wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:*sighs*...
More interested in discussing people on the forum than stuff?
Fair enough.
The ban lasts a week - to the minute.
Week from the offence or to the ban starting?
I guess sport being trivial is pretty subjective. There are a lot of sports I would see as boring and trivial. But if you were an athlete making your living from it, it wouldn't be.
Sure, but surely that's just making a living out of a trivial pursuit (wehay)?
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Rick Chasey wrote:I can't really bring myself to think me cycling, whether it's in a race or to work is anything but trivial.
Strava appears to concur.0 -
vermin wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I can't really bring myself to think me cycling, whether it's in a race or to work is anything but trivial.
Strava appears to concur.
Ha :P
So what does that say of your failed attempt to beat the time in the pouring rain?0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:vermin wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I can't really bring myself to think me cycling, whether it's in a race or to work is anything but trivial.
Strava appears to concur.
Ha :P
So what does that say of your failed attempt to beat the time in the pouring rain?
I now have a cold and a chesty cough, thanks to that trivial effort.0 -
It depends on what your outlook on life is. If you've had a life-changing experience say, like cheating death in a car accident, holding a parent's hand on their deathbed, or going to a third world country and seeing how they live, or something else that alters the way you look at life then pretty much almost anything else is trivial.
I'm not saying it's not hugely enjoyable - I get on my bike, or go and watch my team play (and win the league *cough*) or sit watching the OIympics or Paras or the TdF etc - but those kinds of big things that happened to me just put life in perspective. So I don't worry about things like having the latest car, or the biggest telly, or a £400 pair of shoes -because they aren't important to me. So for me, sport's just sport. Enjoyable, but trivial.Commute: Chadderton - Sportcity0 -
msmancunia wrote:It depends on what your outlook on life is. If you've had a life-changing experience say, like cheating death in a car accident, holding a parent's hand on their deathbed, or going to a third world country and seeing how they live, or something else that alters the way you look at life then pretty much almost anything else is trivial.
I'm not saying it's not hugely enjoyable - I get on my bike, or go and watch my team play (and win the league *cough*) or sit watching the OIympics or Paras or the TdF etc - but those kinds of big things that happened to me just put life in perspective. So I don't worry about things like having the latest car, or the biggest telly, or a £400 pair of shoes -because they aren't important to me. So for me, sport's just sport. Enjoyable, but trivial.
I couldnt have put it better myself so I wont.
Its this."If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."
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Rick Chasey wrote:Slowbike wrote:Sport: An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.
Much of it is of little importance to me - in that sense the individual competition is trivial.
In the wider sense the whole sports industry is far from trivial - it is providing a lot of jobs and encourages activity - what else should we be doing with our time?
The second bit was the bit they said didn't make it trivial.
I said it was just another entertainment industry, like film or TV which made money out of ultimately trivial past-times.
But then they said by that reasoning more or less everything bar death is trivial.
I can see where they're coming from, but I can't really bring myself to think me cycling, whether it's in a race or to work is anything but trivial.
Trivial is anything of little value or importance (eg discussing the legalities of riding on the pavement
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Therefore deciding if something is trivial is rather subjective. What sports get included in the next olympics will be trivial for those who have no interest in it - but rather non-trivial for the athletes who are aiming to win at whatever sports are included ...
Ultimately, I suppose if you consider life itself to be of upmost importance then anything that is not required to sustain that life is trivial.... so just food, water, heat & light are important then .0 -
That's because people choose to give things meanings, or a value. Sport is a way of killing the time we have allocated to us. For some people that is very important. For me it isn't.Ecrasez l’infame0
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I coach mini rugby. When my squad works hard, plays well and achieves something really memorable (our first tournament win, playing on the pitch before a top level professional game) the feeling for them, and me, is hugely rewarding. And, as with most team sports, the lessons they learn are pretty fundamental to life.
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Sport is a microcosm of life. The results may well be trivial, but the acts mean everything.
Apart from football. That's just balls. 0 -
Saying something is trivial about something people spent a huge amount of time and money in is always going to cause... reactions. :P
As a supporter or competitor :P0 -
Saying the word 'Sport' in my office causes no reaction at all.....damn nerds.0
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Not to the folks I saw competing at Eton Dorney today. Awesome.
And, in one way or another, it meant something to everyone watching. The family had a great time, and we've got memories of a great day out.FCN 2-4.
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I'd agree with your office mates logic, what isn't trivial in that sense? and surely if everything we do is trivial, life itself, is trivial?FCN: 60
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straas wrote:I'd agree with your office mates logic, what isn't trivial in that sense? and surely if everything we do is trivial, life itself, is trivial?
Yeah.
I guess what I meant was, whether Man Utd or chelsea win the premier league, or Wiggins wins instead of Froome, the result doesn't really matter. Even England winning the world cup. There'd be a big party and people would be pleased, but it doesn't change much.
That's what is so nice about sport for me. You can really really care, and go through all the emotions, but as soon as it's finished you carry on with your life as if it never happened. A bit like a film or good TV. You might discuss it at work a bit or write on a forum. You might even have a party to celebrate, but the result is doesn't matter. In that respect I think it's trivial.
For the same reason you have a seperate bit in the news for sports results. In the fun trivial bit. If the sport suddenly starts to matter then they'll throw it into the main news section - like say, Armstrong's current happenings.
Maybe I should have made the distintion between sport results and what people do as 'sport' day to day.0 -
msmancunia wrote:It depends on what your outlook on life is. If you've had a life-changing experience say, like cheating death in a car accident, holding a parent's hand on their deathbed, or going to a third world country and seeing how they live, or something else that alters the way you look at life then pretty much almost anything else is trivial.
I'm not saying it's not hugely enjoyable - I get on my bike, or go and watch my team play (and win the league *cough*) or sit watching the OIympics or Paras or the TdF etc - but those kinds of big things that happened to me just put life in perspective. So I don't worry about things like having the latest car, or the biggest telly, or a £400 pair of shoes -because they aren't important to me. So for me, sport's just sport. Enjoyable, but trivial.
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Rick Chasey wrote:Is sport trivial?
I said it was as a throwaway comment and the place erupted.
I figured it was a given - apparently not.
Do you guys think it's trivial?
No, it's not trivial. It can be taken too seriously but broadly speaking, it isn't trivial.
Waterloo and the playing fields of Eton... Kids learning the importance of fair play, teamwork and the rewards of hard work, preparation and training... an outlet for emotion... inspiration, challenges that can be taken on...
There's a bit of human nature in "It is not enough merely to win, others must lose".
Cheers,
W.0 -
WGWarburton wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Is sport trivial?
I said it was as a throwaway comment and the place erupted.
I figured it was a given - apparently not.
Do you guys think it's trivial?
No, it's not trivial. It can be taken too seriously but broadly speaking, it isn't trivial.
Waterloo and the playing fields of Eton... Kids learning the importance of fair play, teamwork and the rewards of hard work, preparation and training... an outlet for emotion... inspiration, challenges that can be taken on...
There's a bit of human nature in "It is not enough merely to win, others must lose".
Cheers,
W.
Yes. I've been meaning to do a serious response to this...
Participating in sports teaches you an enormous amount; about lessons for life (the points WGW has mentioned), and about yourself. It's where you learn what it is to do your best. It's where you learn both what it is to win with your very best, and (arguably more importantly) what it is to lose with your very best. It gives you humility and pride. It teaches you that you can't always win, but that you should never stop trying to win.
Personally, I don't regard any of that as trivial. On the contrary, I regard it as part of the essentials for life.
On the other hand, being a fan/spectator doesn't provide those sorts of lessons. In some senses I agree that spectating is trivial: as Rick says, no matter how much you support Mancastle Albion in their association football endeavours, whether they win or lose should give you no more than a short term emotional high/low. But even there, I don't think it's so clear cut. The avid supporter who turns out in all weathers to cheer on their child/spouse/relative/friend and without whom that participant would probably not bother should not be consigned to triviality.
Leaving all this aside, football is crap.0 -
Greg66 wrote:football is crap.
I object to the Times encumbering me with "the game" inserts on Mondays. There again I win as I can just find it and bin it rather than carry the useless pages with me.
ThisRonaldo, whose £80million transfer from United to Real in June 2009 remains the biggest in football history, blah blah blah
The Portuguese forward refused to celebrate either of the two goals he scored -- blah blah blah
“I’m sad - when I don’t celebrate goals it’s because I’m not happy.” Ronaldo said. “It’s a professional thing. Real Madrid know why I’m not happy.”
I'd make him not happy with Hilti drill, wire brush attachment and bucket of "Satan's Blood" chilli sauce . . .
aaaarggghhhhFixed gear for wet weather / hairy roadie for posing in the sun.
What would Thora Hurd do?0 -
Greg66 wrote:Participating in sports teaches you an enormous amount; about lessons for life (the points WGW has mentioned), and about yourself. It's where you learn what it is to do your best. It's where you learn both what it is to win with your very best, and (arguably more importantly) what it is to lose with your very best. It gives you humility and pride. It teaches you that you can't always win, but that you should never stop trying to win.
Personally, I don't regard any of that as trivial. On the contrary, I regard it as part of the essentials for life.
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Greg66 wrote:WGWarburton wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Is sport trivial?
I said it was as a throwaway comment and the place erupted.
I figured it was a given - apparently not.
Do you guys think it's trivial?
No, it's not trivial. It can be taken too seriously but broadly speaking, it isn't trivial.
Waterloo and the playing fields of Eton... Kids learning the importance of fair play, teamwork and the rewards of hard work, preparation and training... an outlet for emotion... inspiration, challenges that can be taken on...
There's a bit of human nature in "It is not enough merely to win, others must lose".
Cheers,
W.
Yes. I've been meaning to do a serious response to this...
Participating in sports teaches you an enormous amount; about lessons for life (the points WGW has mentioned), and about yourself. It's where you learn what it is to do your best. It's where you learn both what it is to win with your very best, and (arguably more importantly) what it is to lose with your very best. It gives you humility and pride. It teaches you that you can't always win, but that you should never stop trying to win.
Personally, I don't regard any of that as trivial. On the contrary, I regard it as part of the essentials for life.
On the other hand, being a fan/spectator doesn't provide those sorts of lessons. In some senses I agree that spectating is trivial: as Rick says, no matter how much you support Mancastle Albion in their association football endeavours, whether they win or lose should give you no more than a short term emotional high/low. But even there, I don't think it's so clear cut. The avid supporter who turns out in all weathers to cheer on their child/spouse/relative/friend and without whom that participant would probably not bother should not be consigned to triviality.
Leaving all this aside, football is crap.
Sure, but not everything is a competition, nor does everything involve winning. And ultimately, in my little under 13s football I used to play, it never really mattered who won even when I was in it. Sure I cared at the time, but I soon realised the result didn't actually matter when I got home. The injuries I carried into school the next day mattered more, since they actually affected me.
I don't think I learn a particular amount about myself from either competing in sport or not.
Maybe that I was a stroppy teenager when I played county tennis, or that I was quite flexible when I dived competitively.
Mainly I learned it was a massive ballache for my mother having to ferry me around everywhere and sit with competitive parents living a bizarre life through their own children's sport.
Sports a big part of my life - I dedicate an awful lot of time either to watching it or participating in it - way more than any other hobby, and I consider myself reasonably competitive, though not without perspective.
It's definitely a trivial part of my life. Entertaining and enriching sure, but it doesn't add any value to anyone but me.0
