fiiting 150mm forks on to specialized hardock
specialized hardrock
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hi all
does anyone know if it would be ok to fit 150mm forks onto specialized hardrock 19" frame or would it just mess up the geometry of the bike :?
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does anyone know if it would be ok to fit 150mm forks onto specialized hardrock 19" frame or would it just mess up the geometry of the bike :?
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carrera vengeance ultimate 11
specialized hardrock sport pro 05
commencal combi disc 08
trek 3900 04
specialized hardrock sport pro 05
commencal combi disc 08
trek 3900 04
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you can fit them if you want to as they will actually fit.
but you will have a bike that rides like a bag of potatoes."Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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Also have no warranty and more likely to damage frame if you crash or land bad.
Don't do it. 110mm maximum on this frame.0 -
Hardrock handles fantastically well on 100mm forks. It will ride like a tank with 150mm forks, the geometry will be all wrong.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350
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cheers peoplecarrera vengeance ultimate 11
specialized hardrock sport pro 05
commencal combi disc 08
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will ride like a total pig, and handle horribly, and will prob snap the frame and ruin your face. But its up to you.I like bikes and stuff0
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My hardrock has been running 150mm forks for over a year now, rides beautifully and handles really really well.
Frames still in one piece and it gets ridden hard too!
Mines a 2004 model though, and no warranty, plus i use it for 4X and juming so its really doesn't matter.0 -
You'd die. The whole frame would implode as soon as the forks were attached. This would also kill bunnys and kittens *
*obviously this a made up (maybe - i've never thought of putting 150mm forks on a frame that is specified for 100mm forks) however all of tha above is correct.... potatoes and no warranty...0 -
nicklouse wrote:you can fit them if you want to as they will actually fit.
but you will have a bike that rides like a bag of potatoes.
this, andsupersonic wrote:Also have no warranty and more likely to damage frame if you crash or land bad.
Don't do it. 110mm maximum on this frame.
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and why? if you need more travel you're better off getting a frame that was designed for it.FCN 9 - 2008 Kona Cinder Cone
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*AJ* wrote:My hardrock has been running 150mm forks for over a year now, rides beautifully and handles really really well.
Frames still in one piece and it gets ridden hard too!
Mines a 2004 model though, and no warranty, plus i use it for 4X and juming so its really doesn't matter.
Out of interest, do you have any pics of it? I suspect it looks a bit like this
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thel33ter wrote:*AJ* wrote:My hardrock has been running 150mm forks for over a year now, rides beautifully and handles really really well.
Frames still in one piece and it gets ridden hard too!
Mines a 2004 model though, and no warranty, plus i use it for 4X and juming so its really doesn't matter.
Out of interest, do you have any pics of it? I suspect it looks a bit like this
Yeah sure.....
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I've seen some frames can handle a lot longer forks than recommended and some snapping with the recommended amount of travel.
So do it at your own risk.0 -
@AJ, super cool build. That doesn't look anywhere as slack as I expected, and that model Hardrock has a wayyy overbuilt front end, so I can't see it snapping easily.And now you know, and knowing is half the battle
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thats the older Hardrock, it was built like a tank.... iv run one of those with 120mm.... but the newer one is a dif beast.. not a good idea.I like bikes and stuff0
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Only thing that always gets me about these is "It will handle badly". It might, it might not, you can't know without trying it. People are always happy to accept a frame that the manufacturer says will run with various fork lengths but not one that an owner changes. Take Cotic as a nice example, the Soul was designed for shorter forks, then along comes the BFe and gets the exact same geometry but can take up to 160mm. The frame's strong enough obviously but the geometry was never designed for a long fork. Yet it works. Why is that magically different to sticking a longer fork in a different frame that wasn't designed for it?
The strength issue is obviously a different kettle of fish. I always reckon, if you reckon you're riding hard enough to want that much extra fork, you're riding too hard for the extra stress, in most cases.Uncompromising extremist0 -
My housemates hardrock rides rubbishly at 130mm, i hate to think what it'd be like at 150!0
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I don't understand, how come a XC hardtail with slack head angle because of a longer fork
rides rubbish, when the proper trail/AM bike has even slacker angle and rides beautifully?
Also on the XC bike the BB height will be raised but that doesn't mean that on the AM bike
the BB height is super low.
So the only reason that the XC bike will ride rubbish is because of the longer stem and
the narrown XC bars.
And after all, no one rides the same, and it's all personal preference.
Me for example, don't want anything slacker than 69*.0 -
Yep, and that too.
EDIT// People shouldn't put longer fork than recommended just because of the safe factor, not because of the handling.0 -
Xtreem wrote:I don't understand, how come a XC hardtail with slack head angle because of a longer fork
rides rubbish, when the proper trail/AM bike has even slacker angle and rides beautifully?
A DH bike, will have a very slack head angle, making it very stable at high speeds, but making it a pig to manouver around twisty, tight, techy trails.
AM/Enduro/whatever they're currently called, sit somewhere between the two.
But, the head angle alone does not dictate by itself how the bike handles in other regards. This has much to do with rider weight distribution, wheelbase, etc etc.
So, if you take a bike that handles really sweetly with a steep head angle, then put a fork on it that gives it a very slack head angle, it will slow down the bike's handling markedly, and may also have some serious adverse effects on other aspects of the handling.0 -
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Correct Yeehaamcgee
But if some one wants to put 150mm fork on a 100mm hardtail, means that the bike isn't going to be used for XC that much, but if it does, then thats just stupid. That's what I want to say.0 -
Xtreem wrote:Correct Yeahaamcgee
But if some one wants to put 150mm fork on a 100mm hardtail, means that the bike isn't going to be used for XC that much, but if it does, then thats just stupid. That's what I want to say.
I 100% agree, but sooner I reckon an XC bike will have around 140-150mm travel.And now you know, and knowing is half the battle
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thel33ter wrote:
That one in your picture has the front wheel higher up than the rear as well.0 -
Also seat angle. Many modern long travel frames can have seat angles just as steep as XC frames to keep the weight over the front end. Plus other bits of geo too. if not sitting down might make less difference.
In end is personal preference. But the frame was designed to have neutral handling with a max of 110mm fork, or about 490mm axle to crown. ANn is not warrantied for more.0 -
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i always wanted one of those frames, you dont know what over building is untill you've seen an evil imp in person0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:Stuy-b wrote:i always wanted one of those frames,
Freud might call it compensation. But then again he did have a smutty mind.I don't do smileys.
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Bet on the flat it has the turning circle of an oil tanker.0
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Those old Hardrocks are a fine example of getting a jump bike on a budget. Have seen some nice examples of them being rebuilt by - the real Bike Pimp- and his clients never came back to him with frame cracking/failing issues.
As OP stated, he wants a jump bike therefore if thats 04 model which as we all know built like a tank would serve him well.
-the real Bike Pimp- however powdercoated them + pimpy stickers and went for max 120mm forks. Surely that's plenty enough for jumping around.What could have been (Video)
I'll choose not put too much stake into someone's opinion who is admittingly terrible though0