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Wolf · June 2007

I have seen some footie and rugby post, but thought there have to be a couple of petrol heads in the forum ready to chat about the F1 season (and yeah, I am a bit bored at work and this will occupy 10 min of my day [:D]).

I have never liked subjective commentators, and that is why I always liked the ITV retransmission of F1, but I guess it was only because Button and Coulthard where rubbish [:o)], while Hamilton is giving the front runners a hard time. Now he is the new star and is going to win every championship, or so you would think by listening to what they say on television and press.
Come on, get real! He is a very talented young man, and brings a nice spark to the championship, but Alonso is just the better driver. Not more talented, just more experienced.

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Unknown · June 2007

he is a kid in a mans world but he is also an amazing talent.

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Wolf · June 2007

Let's just hope all the attention doesn't spoil him... I wonder if the ITV chaps actually believe what they say, or if some of it is just "for the show" and to increase ratings... They get oh so excited when he gets the fastest time is the first rounds of qualifying... Then Alonso gets first in the last round, the only place where it is important, and they blame that on traffic...

In the race they complain on how unlucky Hamilton was with traffic again, while he actually overtook them much quicker than Alonso did...

But hey, they are much worse in Spain with the Alonsomania, at least here they are a bit more knowledgeable and reserved with their comments. Great talent that kid has though.

It is going to be a great season [;)], a pitty about the single tyre manufacturer though...

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orangechimp · June 2007

not watched much this season, got really fed up with it last year, so started watching bike GP and world superbikes, much more action and excitment.

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Jinja Ninja · June 2007

I think that 1st seasson, 4 podim finishs out of 5... speaks for its self really dosn't it.

TBH I can only comment on monaco (1st race i've watched in years) And full props to Allonso on that one, He WAS the faster man. I shall have more opinion after canada me thinks.

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blackbike · June 2007

it's good to have someone decent from the UK to follow for the 1st time since 1992!
I used to follow F1 really closely up until 94 when the shumacher show started.
Got back into it this season as there would appear to be 4 drivers capable of winning.

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Wolf · June 2007

Well, I watch the Moto GP too [:D], don't discriminate the motorsport by the number of wheels. Oh, and the WRC too if I catch it on telly. The respect I have for rally drivers. I have been in a rally car before, and it is bloody scary!

The F1 season looks promissing then, still very well matched, as said with 4 real contenders for the title and very nice fights in the middle too with Red Bull, BMW and Williams. I lost all interest during the Schumi/Ferrari era too, as it was getting too predictable, but now everyone is winning, and I really like the new tyre regulation where they have to use soft and hards, and the spectator knows which type they are running. That is the way to go me thinks, evening up the playing field and involving the viewer.

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Andy B · June 2007

Been a motorsport fan for years, went off F1 for a bit due to the 'Schuey' effect, but still watched most races, this season is (so far) one of the best I have seen for years. C'mon Lewis!

I also follow BTCC, DTM, WRC, GT, ALMS, LMPS, V8 Supercars, V8 Utes....so much motorsport on Motors TV [:D]

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hsa · June 2007

I miss MS.

Lewis is fast the pressure is good for Alonso. He has already had to up his game. Just perfect drama for the rest of us. Massa is quick too and Kimi needs to wake up.

ITV coverage is good (apart from adverts every 5 minutes!). All respect to Martin Brundle. But Lewis mania has really gotten to James Allen. He really gets on my tits!

Wolf · June 2007

It probably helps that he was a pilot too, and knows what goes through their heads... What's the point of doing fast lap after fast lap if you are not under preassure? You're only going to crash the car...
Schumacher was good at the beginning, when he was the new kid in the block fighting the old schools of the likes of Prost... Then it just got boring, with Ferrari winning everything and McClaren not finishing a bloody race... Next race this W/E?

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Bazza · June 2007

Seen as we're on the F1 subject, does anyone know the website addy for the dream F1 thing? It's a bit like the football ones you see in the paper etc.

I think that Hamilton's success is really annoying Button, Hamilton has spiced up F1 a bit and now an English driver may actually win a few grand prixs?

I quite like Hamilton, he seems quiet an un-fazed by all the media attention an hype, time will tell if he has the minerals though...

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Wolf · June 2007

Yeah, he's an alright fella, but as said before, lets hope he doesn't get spoilt with all this success... you can see a bit of c0ckiness now and again that is uncalled for on a driver of his experience... Still, i guess disappointment is a normal thing to feel when you have always been at the top and then feel you are not the best any more! (again, not saying he is not talented, only that he lacks experience) Very supportive to the team though, and always redeems himself from any uncalled for remarks he has done just after races...

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Capt. Jon · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Bazza

Seen as we're on the F1 subject, does anyone know the website addy for the dream F1 thing? It's a bit like the football ones you see in the paper etc.

I think that Hamilton's success is really annoying Button, Hamilton has spiced up F1 a bit and now an English driver may actually win a few grand prixs?

I quite like Hamilton, he seems quiet an un-fazed by all the media attention an hype, time will tell if he has the minerals though...
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Hamilton has a vastly superior car to Button, i think that is what would annoy Jenson.

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Bazza · June 2007

Very true, didn't even think of that!

It'll be interesting to see both Button an Hamilton in the same car an who could lap the quickest.

Does anyone know the website for the fantasy F1 thing? I got it from here ages ago before the F1 season started an can't remember or find it.

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Capt. Jon · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Bazza

Very true, didn't even think of that!

It'll be interesting to see both Button an Hamilton in the same car an who could lap the quickest.

Does anyone know the website for the fantasy F1 thing? I got it from here ages ago before the F1 season started an can't remember or find it.
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You're currently 8th:

http://www.fantasyf1.co.uk/cgi-bin/ff1. ... f1&pg=list

Uunfortunately the Hamilton factor is very influential in the standings.

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Bazza · June 2007

Top man, thank you sir!

8th, that ain't too bad unless there are only 8 people doing it, lol

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Stealthwmb · June 2007

Fastest car wins as far as I'm concerned which is why it's so boring. Get rid of driver aids so there is room for driver error and then lets see who the best driver is.

A mate was telling me of Clarkeson's idea to spice up F1. Pay them all 24 quid a year but a million quid every time they overtake!

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ratty2k · June 2007

Have to agree there, but I'd go further. Get rid of the huge amount of downforce provided by the wings and let the cars run skirts again. This would allow cars to run closer together without running into "dirty air" also remove the carbon brakes and go back to metal ones. This would give longer braking distances, but you could overheat the brakes easier- meanin that you get a chance to outbrake someone, but then have to use less brake into the next corner. Again creating more overtaking chances. Get rid of fuel stops, in one fell swoop removing most team tactics, as its then mostly down to driver input

Basically, bring back the days when cars slid around and you could appreciate the skills of the drivers, I think it was Frank Williams that said a monkey could drives his cars....
Actually, doing similar would improve the current state of rallying as well. Another sport thats dominated by the technology- bring back the good old days of Escorts and Chevettes and Saab's and Datsun's. Make it fun again!

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Wolf · June 2007

Agree to a certain extent with the F1 "downgrading2 idea, and they have been doing so gradually, decreasing aereodinamic helps for the last couple of years. Still, pitstops make F1 interesting, as you never know at the beginning how much fuel a car is carrying and hence what its "real" pace is. Gives it a bit of an edge.

A good idea me thinks is to use GP2 as a "pilot scheme" for F1 changes. Implement them there first an see how it goes, then take them to the F1.

Rallying is fine how it is, i don't see how less tech will help, as there is no overtaking anyway...

Just my tupence though [;)], for what it's worth...

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guilliano · June 2007

I get bored of tactical races where pit stops are "all important". Make everyone take the same amount of pit stops, carry the same amount of fuel and allow them to choose their own tyres. That way we see who is the fastest driver in the fastest car, not who's planned their race best.

Lewis Hamilton is a huge talent and you tend to find people with that much talent are cokcy. Look at Joe Cole earlier in his career, Ronaldinho, Christiano Ronaldo in the football world. Great talents with a touch of arrogance

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Jinja Ninja · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ratty2k

Have to agree there, but I'd go further. Get rid of the huge amount of downforce provided by the wings and let the cars run skirts again. This would allow cars to run closer together without running into "dirty air" also remove the carbon brakes and go back to metal ones. This would give longer braking distances, but you could overheat the brakes easier- meanin that you get a chance to outbrake someone, but then have to use less brake into the next corner. Again creating more overtaking chances. Get rid of fuel stops, in one fell swoop removing most team tactics, as its then mostly down to driver input

Basically, bring back the days when cars slid around and you could appreciate the skills of the drivers, I think it was Frank Williams that said a monkey could drives his cars....
Actually, doing similar would improve the current state of rallying as well. Another sport thats dominated by the technology- bring back the good old days of Escorts and Chevettes and Saab's and Datsun's. Make it fun again!

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Heres an idea, why don't we get rid of most the corners too. Seriously go watch Indy if you want something like that. Pit stops are exciting. Your making it sound like you'd have no problem having a spin around monaco at 150mph, and to that sir i say b/s.

G.P's always bee nabout the cars too, pushing them faster etc, there feats of enginering, hence why we have the constructors championships and national anthem of the winning car.

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ratty2k · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Wolf

Agree to a certain extent with the F1 "downgrading2 idea, and they have been doing so gradually, decreasing aereodinamic helps for the last couple of years. Still, pitstops make F1 interesting, as you never know at the beginning how much fuel a car is carrying and hence what its "real" pace is. Gives it a bit of an edge.

A good idea me thinks is to use GP2 as a "pilot scheme" for F1 changes. Implement them there first an see how it goes, then take them to the F1.

Rallying is fine how it is, i don't see how less tech will help, as there is no overtaking anyway...

Just my tupence though [;)], for what it's worth...

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I realise that there is no overtaking in rallying (I used to drive an HSR Chevette) Thats mainly me hankering for the good old days of Penti Arrikala, Kankunnen, Rohl, Pond et al..... But I think that just because the cars are very fast down the stages, they are not that spectacular to watch. Mainly down to techy things like the diffs with the controls etc. Bring back simple slippy diffs and get rid of flappy gearboxes. Which would also bring down the costs, which would get things more even, and possibly bring in a couple of extra teams.....

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ratty2k · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jinja Ninja

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ratty2k

Have to agree there, but I'd go further. Get rid of the huge amount of downforce provided by the wings and let the cars run skirts again. This would allow cars to run closer together without running into "dirty air" also remove the carbon brakes and go back to metal ones. This would give longer braking distances, but you could overheat the brakes easier- meanin that you get a chance to outbrake someone, but then have to use less brake into the next corner. Again creating more overtaking chances. Get rid of fuel stops, in one fell swoop removing most team tactics, as its then mostly down to driver input

Basically, bring back the days when cars slid around and you could appreciate the skills of the drivers, I think it was Frank Williams that said a monkey could drives his cars....
Actually, doing similar would improve the current state of rallying as well. Another sport thats dominated by the technology- bring back the good old days of Escorts and Chevettes and Saab's and Datsun's. Make it fun again!

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Heres an idea, why don't we get rid of most the corners too. Seriously go watch Indy if you want something like that. Pit stops are exciting. Your making it sound like you'd have no problem having a spin around monaco at 150mph, and to that sir i say b/s.

G.P's always bee nabout the cars too, pushing them faster etc, there feats of enginering, hence why we have the constructors championships and national anthem of the winning car.

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Pit stops falsify the race, team directors and mechanics should not have the outcome of the race in their hands. It adds chance to a race where skill is supposed to be king....
I'm just trying to get it back to how it used to be, where it was exiting to watch and people passed each other on the track, and not because they put a second less worth of fuel in the tank.

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Wolf · June 2007

Fair enough, I wouldn't mind seeing Mitsubishi up there again, and they might be encouraged by lower costs... The traction controls those cars have are trully amazing, I have to agree with that, but a slight error on part of the pilot will still send the car against a wall/cliff/trees... It might be good to go back to the simple life on both sports, but at least we can see that the trend to do so is there... remmeber the days of unrestricted (or almost) competition! Supercharged F1 cars with huge wings, B series rally cars with stupidly powerfull engines... Very dangerous, and all that has been improved... Oh well, let's see how this season goes, not too sure about the 3 year engine freeze in F1 though... Looking forward to seeing Prodrive in the next season! Let's see what they can do...

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ratty2k · June 2007

Oh yes traction control is fantastic, but for compoetition? The cars now sit on the start line engines revving away and the driver presses a button..... car decides how much grip it has and adjusts accordingly. Leave it to the drivers- too much wheelspin, not enough wheelspin and bogging down would then come into play. And still the best drivers could show how good they are.....

But rallying is still better than F1 is at the moment anyway.
But this is my fave era of rallying....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WBg2gUgD67w

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Bazza · June 2007

Those were the days!

I did a few rally lessons at Brands Hatch in a pants pug 206, wanted the escort cossy but they changed cars the week before I went.

I enjoy all motorsport but regulary go to watch the BTCC

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Wolf · June 2007

Can't watch youtube at work [:(]. There is a video of a Porsche 911 (was it the 959 the rally version) on the net, like 9 minutes long, which is incredible! I have been driven in a rally car once or twice and it always scared de hell out of me...

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ratty2k · June 2007

Yep, I know my old rally car still exists, but would like to find out where it got to.....? I still watch all my old rally vids (pro divers) and every so often when the nostalga bug bites, I'll watch me in action! And think "my god we were slow!" It felt much faster driving the thing!

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orangechimp · June 2007

they should go back to big fat slicks, more mechanical grip les from aerodynamics

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Bazza · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ratty2k

every so often when the nostalga bug bites, I'll watch me in action! And think "my god we were slow!" It felt much faster driving the thing!

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Ha, I know excatly how that feels, when I saw the video of me at Brands Hatch doing a rally day/lesson I thought ..man that looks slow, it felt ten times as fast in the car and quite frantic, highly reccomended (rally day/lesson that is not full on coomp like you Ratts), great adrenalin buzz! [:D]

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ratty2k · June 2007

Oh yes! A hell of a buzz! We loved evey VERY expensive moment of it!
Sold the car as I was buying a house, shouldn't of let it go. It was turned to a rally car from almost new, never saw salt and consequently had NO rust. Shoulda kept it <bangshead on wall>

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