Engine braking

Lee_erm · June 2007

Does it hurt your transmission? I don't mean anything stupid, just dropping it a gear or two before a corner, that sort of thing.

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roryf · June 2007

How do you mean to drive without doing it? I imagine that sitting with the clutch in whilst you go round the corner is not only dangerous, but (probably) more damaging than engine braking. I may be wrong though.

nicklouse · June 2007

tis normal.

as long as you are 1 not forcing the engine to over rev. 2 are not using the clutch to get the correct engine spead.

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roryf · June 2007

Nick what do you mean buy "not using the clutch to get the correct engine speed"? When I downshift for a corner, I put the clutch in and brake a bit, change gear, put a bit of revs on then slowly let the clutch out, so the revs can pick up to the right speed. Is that bad? If you let the clutch out really quickly, the car "jerks" as it slows, which would I suspect mean it is having alot of strain on the transmission

nicklouse · June 2007

if your engine revs are too low when you start lifting the clutch you will force the engine revs up (more noticable on a front engined front wheel drive) while on a rear wheel drive what tends to happen is the rear wheels lose contact and the back end breaks away.

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ChrisYZ3 · June 2007

Driving instructors actually teach their students to use engine braking when cornering. I assume he means riding the clutch (holding it around the biting point and not letting the clutch all the way up after changing gear) for "not using the clutch to get the correct engine speed", which will wear the clutch out. I could be wrong though, he could mean something completely different.

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

learn to heel and toe if you can be arsed. takes a while to get slick, but its worth it.

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nicklouse · June 2007

left foot braking FTW

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rubber side up · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ChrisYZ3

Driving instructors actually teach their students to use engine braking when cornering. I assume he means riding the clutch (holding it around the biting point and not letting the clutch all the way up after changing gear) for "not using the clutch to get the correct engine speed", which will wear the clutch out. I could be wrong though, he could mean something completely different.

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its pretty much impossible to lock wheels while gearing down. which is probably why its being taught. although, gearing down too much/fast can spin the car.

you're supposed to gear down and let the clutch fully engage, the engine will naturally slow down, slowing the car [:)] you shouldn't do any damage to the engine unless you gear down too much and let the engine over rev.

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Alex · June 2007

Small aside:

Brakepads are cheaper than clutchplates.

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

true, but engine braking is quite a useful skill to driving properly, costs aside.

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Flurry · June 2007

I was taught to brake first then change down when your at a comfortable speed for the gear you want, meaning i'll come up to a roundabout in 4th or 5th (slowly & without accelerating) and then change down to 2nd/3rd if it's clear or 1st if i need to stop.

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

or as you're braking, nudge the throttle to bring the engine up to speed and shift down, so you spend more time in gear (read: in control) and not coasting

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ElephantMan · June 2007

Heel toe FTW! Before I retired the car to the garage I had to learn this skill so that I didn't stall everytime the car came to a stop [:p] (dodgy condensor or something I think, certainly not the idle being set too low!)

But yeah, I tend to use engine braking in conjunction with standard braking. As Nick said, don't force the engine to over rev, and don't partially dip the clutch or whatever because you'll soon be smelling your clutch plate!!

Sir HC · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rubber side up

its pretty much impossible to lock wheels while gearing down. which is probably why its being taught. although, gearing down too much/fast can spin the car.

you're supposed to gear down and let the clutch fully engage, the engine will naturally slow down, slowing the car [:)] you shouldn't do any damage to the engine unless you gear down too much and let the engine over rev.
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It is very easy to lock the wheels on a rear wheel drive car.

You should never slip the clutch, it wears it out. You should be judging the upshifts (let the revs fall then engage the clutch) and the downshifts (blipping the throttle to match the revs to the gearbox/wheel speed)

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TE · June 2007

Nothing annoys me more than following someone down a long hill who's brakelights are constantly one. [:(!]
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Flurry · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TE

Nothing annoys me more than following someone down a long hill who's brakelights are constantly one. [:(!]
STICK IT DOWN A GEAR FOR FUC<s></s>KS SAKE!!!

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or just don't brake [:)]

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TE · June 2007

Same when i follow someone round a corner who brakes mid corner... [V]

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Thantos · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lee_erm

Does it hurt your transmission? I don't mean anything stupid, just dropping it a gear or two before a corner, that sort of thing.

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Lee_erm · June 2007

Even a vauxhall astra, driven by a pleb it would seem[:D]

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Thantos · June 2007

Indeed.
How is our young chav in the making?

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Lee_erm · June 2007

On LSD I think[:D]

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red eye · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lee_erm

Does it hurt your transmission? I don't mean anything stupid, just dropping it a gear or two before a corner, that sort of thing.

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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">no, consider how much force the box driveing. when you "engine brake" the force is reversed, as in the wheels are driveing the engine. tho i wouldt drop two gears when turning a corner as the revs would increase and you might under steer or overseer on rwd

red eye · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TE

Nothing annoys me more than following someone down a long hill who's brakelights are constantly one. [:(!]
STICK IT DOWN A GEAR FOR FUC<s></s>KS SAKE!!!

[|)]

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

then they should be shot for not having a manual gearbox.

I've yet to work out a good car to have an auto gearbox in. Auto drivers arn't drivers, they just like to pretend

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JohnnyTheFox · June 2007

Do you mean engine braking as the engine catching up to the lower gear or just the off throttle friction from the engine? The later being my definition of it.

360 · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner

then they should be shot for not having a manual gearbox.

I've yet to work out a good car to have an auto gearbox in. Auto drivers arn't drivers, they just like to pretend

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easy, a roller or a bently, ie cars that are just for wafting around in, but are plenty powerful enough to mean the auto doesn't really slow em down. Plus if you've got a chauffeur they're not going to irritate you with lumpy gear changes.

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

the only time i'd employ a chauffeur would be post-night out, in which case, mnyah.

I recently found out the majority of Porches sold are automatics, why why why why why.
Same with Volvo's, but less suprising

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TE · June 2007

Many auto cars have a faster 0-60 acceleration time actually, less time lost through gear changes. No where near as satisfying though!

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Alex · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TE

Same when i follow someone round a corner who brakes mid corner... [V]
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Worse still when they touch thier brakes just before the corner, but don't actually change speed. Just go round the corner you fag!

Tbh, the only "engine braking" that's worth doing is when you point the car downhill. Won't work on pokey little petrols though.

If you're changing your speed for a corner, do it by coming off the throttle earlier or use your brakes. That way you keep your clutch fresh and if you're slowing down quickly, you're letting the guy behind know you're slowing.

I used to do a lot of engine braking until i had a good think about it, and thought "indignity of braking Vs indignity of having to have a new clutch, or having someone hear me change up like some boy racer train spotter"

Braking seemed better.

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TE · June 2007

Another bloody annoying thing is when you're following someone who is already going RIDICULOUSLY slow, but STILL brakes before/during a corner!

Come to think, are there ANY other road users who arent annoying in some way?

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