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Sam B256 · June 2007

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I havent read it all but is MR Skinner, basically calling for a more anarchistic state? where there is no real controling body?

Im still semi drunk, so feel free to tell me to shut up.
Politics is a sore point as i ashamedly used to be a socialist supporter.

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Drfabulous0 · June 2007

Ah yes, putting the 'mock' back in demockracy.

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Alex · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Big Red S

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by 360

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner

from my minimal knowledge of the empire, human rights got in the way as much as a change of politics.
for some reason it was deemed unreasonable to go around enslaving other countries
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actually we fought the second world war and bankrupted ourselves. Also after ww2 the general populace probably wasn't too keen on going to war again to keep a hold of bongobongostan
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And we, er, fought against this evil imperialist nation...
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Not to mention the great depression which re-bankrupted every industrialized nation on the planet having just recovered from WW1.

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TSawyer · June 2007

Back to the point about a dictatorship.

Surely the problem then is having a leader who is going to do what is best for the people.
In a dictatorship with no opposition a dictatorisn't necessarily going to do what is best for the people,more what is best for himself as he knows that he cannot be removed from power by political means.

Therefore a dictatorship cannot be an answer.

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ride_whenever · June 2007

Benevolent dictatorship is far and away the best method of government, they issue is finding a suitable benevolent dictator. The idea is that the dictator is an honest and good person who cares and thinks for others. I'd be a good dictator, kind of [;)]

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

I'd be a fantastic one as long as you didnt wear track-suits, drive crappy sounped up cars, or act like a loud-mouth.

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Alex · June 2007

When I come to power, the first against the wall will be the health and safety sycophants. Safety glasses for conkers? Screwed up uplift rules?

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

banning smoking, that sort of thing. you're right alaex :-)

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ride_whenever · June 2007

It'll be the stupid people with me, neural stapling all round

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Westie · June 2007

get rid of entertainment licenses and get rid of The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994 Sections 63, 64 & 65,66 and 67 Raves. I can hardly put into words how wrong that law is.

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Big Red S · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Drfabulous0

Ah yes, putting the 'mock' back in demockracy.
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Not really.
Like I said, 'pure' democracy doesn't work - you cannpt call a vote on _every_ decision that is to be made (you'd end up in circles voting on how the elections work, for a start). So we employ people who we believe to be most likely to act or vote in our interests.

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360 · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Big Red S
That depends on how you define democracy.
It could just be a lack of records (sceptics/cynics do tend to be the first forgotten), but it does seem that it's taken until the end of the 19th century for the democratic system to truly be exploited.
I know there are a number of other reasons for it, but the major root seems to be the power of private companies, and therefore their power over politicians.
I'm not trying to claim any sort of conspiracy, but any right-minded person is going to do more of what gets them more money and less of what doesn't. If that means pandering to big business, that's what I'd expect civil servants to do (though I'd really rather they didn't).

We've now got, and have had at least since at least the beginning of this government no real opposition. There are no interesting debates. There's two major parties, each trying to be as central as possible, and another that never really seems to manage to matter. There's no point even trying to get interested in that - no party holds its position long enough to get propaganda defending it out, let alone long enough to get people to want to vote in their favour. The recent elections in France have really highlighted how far we've fallen from a leader in government - we've no real choice, and as a result we've no real voters. It seems that the large majority of people who vote only vote because they did last time, and their choice of candidate is based as much on who they voted for last time and their class as anything else.

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actually i was refering to the fact that women havent had the vote for 100 years, if half the population cant vote thats not a democracy in my book.

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P.s Im not doing that again.

Big Red S · June 2007

Oh yeah, there is that...

I have a scary habit of forgetting that fact. It's one of those things I just take for granted as happens, and so presume it must always have happened, I suppose.

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