Ok 26 and 24 inch wheels.

cadge · November 2006

24's are cruiser wheels, and wheels that come on girls bikes, and bikes for kids that arent quiet big enough to ride big wheels, either ride 20 or 26, i dont see the need for something in between.

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The Joe Show · November 2006

Tell them to make a 26" cruiser, then i'll be happy.

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cadge · November 2006

Someone does make one joe, http://www.volumebikes.com/bikes-sh.html

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denzal3 · December 2006

26" roll better, stronger maybe not lighter but end of story.

cadge · December 2006

I found another advantage of 26's - Mavic rims!

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fr4eva · January 2007

tbh 26'' is better mtb'ing is a unique sport lets keep it that way, u want lil wheels buy a BMX

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demoneye · January 2007

if you have 24 wheels then you in most cases can have longer travel like if your bike is ment to handel 100mm then you could go 4 120 theoretically. well thats what i heard from a friend.

hardtail street freeride ftw!! bmx's go fkin get some brakes!!

nicklouse · January 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by demoneye

if you have 24 wheels then you in most cases can have longer travel like if your bike is ment to handel 100mm then you could go 4 120 theoretically.

hardtail street freeride ftw!! bmx's go fkin get some brakes!!
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what utter crap.

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dezmtber · January 2007

just read this thread. seems you have your lines tied.
ok / ] if you make both O's bigger the line your forks
O O dont change there angle but the bottom of the tyre touches
ground at a longer base than the smaller one. 24" twichier
24" wheels are stronger fact.
26" wheels do roll over bumps and down stairs smoother.
24" wheels have less rotating mass(if using same sixe tyres) so accelerate quicker and are more manouverable in air and on the ground.
26" will carry momentom over obstacles better then 24"
24" do lower the stand over height by 1".
26" wheels are good for xc and downhill.
24" wheels are good for street,trail,park and freeride(drops ect..)
i run 24" wheels on my dirt/street hardtail
and on my giant reign x1.
i run them because i am 5'5" and enjoy mainly street,park,dirt and freeride(drops, northshore etc..)

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nicklouse · January 2007

dez well summed up.

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cadge · January 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dezmtber

24" do lower the stand over height by 1".

sometimes its a good thing to not use your brain.
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Not nessecerilly, if you have 26's with a 1" tyre, then go to 24's with a 3" tyre, it will be nearly the same.

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ESHER SHORE · February 2007

24" wheels accelerate and de-accelerate (brake) quicker than 26"

if using same model/brand of rim then 24" wheel is lighter and stronger than 26" wheel, and laterally stiffer

lighter wheel = less weight on suspension system

24" has more brake torque (equivalent to running a bigger rotor)

wheelbase does not actually change...

will slightly slacken head angle, seat angle and bottom bracket height

i will always run 26"/24" on my freeride bike, i like the way it makes the bike feel more nimble on shore stunts and in the air, i have back to dual 26" and found it makes my bike feel clumsy

can get a big range of good quality tires in 24" if you shop around, including sticky rubber

but for downhill then dual 26" is the way forward [;)]

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theblackmagician · February 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Alx

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nicklouse

to be honest it is not an easy concept to follow. the easiest way to explain how things change to the caster offset and how it feels is like steepening the head angle. it is all to do with caster wheels and self centering.
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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nicklouse

i would argue the point. correct it is not a angular change but it is a geometry change.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Now, when you've extracted your head from your arse and climbed down from your pedestal, we'll start again fromt the point where i'm right. We might stop there too.

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Wow, that was really quite touching to hear somebody get so excited over being wrong that they feel the need to attempt to threaten me. Alx, you're mildly less intimidating than Mr. Blobby's maiden aunt.

I bet you check your poo for fibre.

So for future reference, please understand, You aren't in the least intimidating. I do violence for a living. I'm not on a pedestal. I do understand the difference between angular changes and those responsiveness changes which are very similar to head angle changes but aren't.

Ok Nick, when's your next anger inducing sticky coming out?

theblackmagician · February 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nicklouse

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by demoneye

if you have 24 wheels then you in most cases can have longer travel like if your bike is ment to handel 100mm then you could go 4 120 theoretically.

hardtail street freeride ftw!! bmx's go fkin get some brakes!!
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what utter crap.

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Another gem you should be proud of, Nick.

How can you be that ugly and that stupid with only one head?

skyliner · February 2007

After reading the thread, I think the best way to sum up what happens when you change from 26 to 24" on a bike in plain english is:
1.The bike gets lower (lower centre of gravity).
2.The bike gets shorter.
3.The bike has a tighter turning circle (the change in steering geometry because the bike is lower & shorter means, it turns in a tighter circle than the same bike with 26" wheels)

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nicklouse · March 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by skyliner

After reading the thread, I think the best way to sum up what happens when you change from 26 to 24" on a bike in plain english is:
1.The bike gets lower (lower centre of gravity).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> correctish depends on the tyres.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">2.The bike gets shorter.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> see above
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">3.The bike has a tighter turning circle (the change in steering geometry because the bike is lower & shorter means, it turns in a tighter circle than the same bike with 26" wheels)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> nope again it depends on many things but your words are not really correct as a bike can have the front whell at 90 degrees to the rear the turning circle can be the wheel base!
you are almost there but it is not quite that simple.

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skyliner · March 2007

I realise where you're coming from with your technical explanation earlier.
I just tried to condense it into plain English. It'll never cover the complete subject in this format, but it conveys my mental picture of effecitvely steepening the head angle without it physically taking place.
(sharper steering being one of the main advantages)
I suppose a better way to put it, is more action from less steering input.
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cadge · March 2007

I think everything has been explained adequately to be honest, you just have to read it carefully and not be retarded.

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notaprincess · March 2007

Well I read a few pages worth on this topic, and you all seem to know your stuff. I apologize if Im asking this in the wrong forum...I ride 26" wheels and am considering 24" for the only reason being Im so damn short I thought it would help ! (female @ 4'10)..will it affect my already sad attempts to crawl over logs? give me any benefits to uphill power or downhill control? tks for any advice on this !~

T3 · March 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nicklouse

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by demoneye

if you have 24 wheels then you in most cases can have longer travel like if your bike is ment to handel 100mm then you could go 4 120 theoretically.

hardtail street freeride ftw!! bmx's go fkin get some brakes!!
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what utter crap.

nick

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Well to be honest nicklouse what he is saying does kind of relate to your previous point that changing to 24" wheels has the effect of steepening the head tube angle. So if you are using 24's on a hardtail, increasing the travel would slacken off the headtube angle and counterbalance the effect.

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nicklouse · March 2007

sorry nothing like. yes it may make the bike ride more like a 26er but the headangle will now be another degree slacker. (approx).

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T3 · March 2007

But as you said earlier...

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nicklouse

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by theblackmagician

Sorry Nick, got to quote you here:

nope i am talking angles!

Haven't got a pair of compasses handy- I'm on a night shift! will check it out tommorow. It'll be interesting to see if there are any changes. I'm only going to check it out on the geometry of a theoretical hardtail though!

p.s. you're up late tonight ,Nick
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yes i was! work work work.

there are angles and angles. and yes no angle changes but it has the same effect as making the head angle steeper. or in car terminology caster and kingpin inclination.

smaller wheels has the same effect as making the head angle steeper!

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So by making the head tube angle slacker (by fitting longer forks) you can counteract the effect that you describe above as you are increasing your fork trail.
That was my point.
Of course I would not reccomrend doing it as the frame may not be designed to take that kind of travel, but I run some psylos (set at 120mm) on my 24" bike and it feels the same as my old 26er (which had 110mm forks) during open corners, it just leans into and out of the corners quicker (due to the reduced central-fugal force) and it now feels a lot easier to move around in mid air.

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nicklouse · March 2007

as a way to explain the chain in feel.

but as i said then fitting longer forks would increase the headangle and therefore the forces applied.

but then as the angle of rotation changes which in turn "scrub" ,may the wrong term on a bike, but the way the tire moves over its contact point.

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T3 · March 2007

I can see that making an effect in that once you turn the bars into a turn the bike will want to snap (for want of a better word) into the corner more, but have you considered the merits of having longer travel forks to counteract the increased harshness of running 24's (as they don't run over obstacles as well) as that would further make the bike feel like a 26er.

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Radiator_Rhys · March 2007

just keep the 26" then. And T3 that would be a total waste of time; it would totally destroy your bikes handling and snap the frame eventaually.

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T3 · March 2007

But if a frame is designed to take 100mm forks and you have 80mm forks on there and you swapped to 100mm ones, it would neither destroy your handling nor would it snap the frame. Sure if someone was a complete numpty and thought that increasing the travel of your forks means whacking some 170mm marzocchi 66's on there then you would be right, but the changes I are talking about here are subtle not stupid ones.

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jadryk · April 2007

as long as you're running discs, have a 26 frame but want the smallness of 24's does it matter what sze the wheels are?

The Joe Show · April 2007

Yes. 26" frames are designed for 26" wheels, so putting 24's on it will make it ride like a piece of crap.

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Stinkyboy · April 2007

not true, my 26" gimp with 24" wheels, rides well nice, it just rides like a slightly longer 24" hardtail, and gives whopping tyre clearance (so numpty here wacks a 1.85 on the back)

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ninjatarian · April 2007

its pretty popular to run a 26 in the front and 24 in the rear, the old specialized bighits were designed this way. quick excelerating 24 in the rear and stronger since the rear is usually the first to bend, and a 26 in the front to roll over things better and be more stable at speed.

Ok 26 and 24 inch wheels.

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