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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553

    Does this mean we don't award the Tour win to him now, @rick_chasey ?

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21059448#Comment_21059448

    pretty much. I’d be surprised if he even makes it to the start line after that.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    Cursed season this. Awful.

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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,818

    Odds on Pog doing the double must have dramatically shortened.

  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553

    It's been confirmed that Evenepoel has broken his collarbone too.

  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21059451#Comment_21059451

    Anyone targeting gc at the giro should be rescheduling their season to peak for July now.

    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,572

    Pog really wants the Giro - Tour double and that looks more likely tonight than 2 days ago.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    I’m going to chuck some money on Froome for a Tour podium.

  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526

    Landa for the Tour win!


    Maybe not

  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655

    Jay Vine fractured his spine - but no damage to spinal cord thankfully


    https://x.com/TeamEmiratesUAE/status/1775955258188902640?s=20


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  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,312
    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21059466#Comment_21059466

    Yates brothers a better gamble given they took 3rd and 4th last year.

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,165

    They really need that thing at pr not to cause any problems. This season is not shaping up well.

  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21059466#Comment_21059466

    Lol

    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908

    What a train wreck of a season... Tao looks lucky now

    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,165

    A genuinely upsetting day.

    Steff Cras also fractured vertebrae and a punctured lung.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    I can’t recall a single crash resulting in so many riders with serious injuries. There certainly seems to have been a lot of big names affected by crashes so far this season.

  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,057

    Way the last few weeks have gone with big name injuries, they should make gravel bike frames and wide tyres mandatory for PR this weekend, given the state it's in from the recent rain!

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  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 911
    edited April 4

    Neither Vingers nor Remco were due to race again until June. Does anyone think they'll not reactivate their Zwift accounts in an attempt to win a la Hayman come July (well, end of June)?

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908

    Is lack of race days part of the problem?


    (Mvdp may have only 3 race days but he has raced all.winter cx )

    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104

    Just catching up with the stage - listening to Carlton and Brian Smith wittering on am I in a minority in not finding footage of accidents at all inappropriate. It's part of the race, part of the sport, it would just seem wrong not to show the pain, the danger and sometimes the tragedy as well as the highs.

    In any case showing the footage or not doesn't undo the damage and if it was my family I'd want to be able to see first hand.

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  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,663

    CPA disagrees:

    "The CPA does not support TV coverage to continue to film them while they are down"

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21059480#Comment_21059480

    It’s something I actually agree with Carlton on for once. Who wants to see a repeat of people getting seriously injured or possibly killed? Even worse is the camera hanging around filming the injured riders, it gives nothing. I remember seeing one of the riders who died where it looked pretty obvious he’d suffered a serious head injury with blood around his head. Why anyone felt it appropriate I’ll never know.

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21059491#Comment_21059491

    I doubt that the CPA members have had a vote on this subject. If they have it, would have been extremely useful to include this information as a prelude to the CPA statement.

    As it stands, having reading a variety of rider opinions, it's appears to me to be part of Adam Hansen's statement, using his position with the CPA.

    What weight this statement will carry with those holding the broadcasting rights, is anybody's guess.

    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 911

    Actually felt sorry for Carlton and Brian yesterday and I think they got hung out to dry by their directors.

    Yes, they were just broadcasting the world feed images but they had the option to cut away to another event or even a holding slide. I'm probably overestimating the seniority of those at the helm during the broadcast.

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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438

    Someone on cycling twitter was raging about how everyone involved in broadcasting the crash scenes should be fired, one of Thymen Arensmen's parents replied saying when he crashed last year they preferred to be able to see what was going on compared with the alternative of knowing he had been in a bad crash but then getting no further info

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited April 5

    Part of the problem, let's be honest, is cycling is partly a gladiatorial sport right?

    We revel that it's a sport that's deeply routed in both the past, where we cared less about people's health and wellbeing as it pertaned to sport and in extreme suffering. It's not for nothing Procycling's spine for 20 years was the "world's toughest sport".

    And part of that, let's be honest, is the heroism of riders carrying on after things like crashes.

    I still talk about Tyler Hamilton's remarkable podium and Queen stage victory having broken his collarbone very early on in the race, and how he ground his teeth down doing so to anyone who will listen.

    And I guess, part of crashes is seeing how badly they are hurt. Often they get up, luckily, and sometimes they don't.

    Maybe I'm just a bit sociopathic, but certainly devoured my fair share of media around crashes. I'm sure most people remember that horrendous pileup in the 2015 Tour - stage 3, and that mechanic go pro cam, running through the groans and screams.

    I guess giving close ups of riders as they lie in a lot of pain is the dark side of that gladiatorial, "toughest sport", "suffering" aspect of cycling which we all, well most of us, revel in to a greater or lesser extent.

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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438

    I wonder what the Venn diagram is of Internet Forum People who (a) dislike the Arenberg Chicane, and (b) think pictures of crashes shouldn't be broadcast

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    I don't have a problem with the crashes being broadcast, it is more constantly replaying them when it is apparent that some of the riders are badly injured and lingering around riders who are sometimes not moving on the flaw. If they are rolling around in pain you at least know they are alive and probably haven't anything life changing.

  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198

    I remember a journalist (can't remember if it was even a cycling journalist) saying that the latin countries don't have an issue showing bad accidents, and replaying them. We've seen bad accidents often replayed in Spain, Italy ,etc

    I recall the Senna crash, where the local director hovered over the fatally injured driver, whilst paramedics performed emergency treatment; on the day the BBC cut away from the world feed so we didn't have to see it.

    Motorsport, particularly 4 wheeled, cuts away directly and won't show replays until the condition of a driver is known. It's slighty different in the Spanish owned ( or was until recently) MotoGP/ WSBK; there have been plenty of discussion on showing awful accidents repeatedly........


    I think it's probably down to cultures......

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  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 317
    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21059449#Comment_21059449

    This morning they are also saying that he suffered bruising on his lungs and a lung collapse.

    If he does make the Tour, I dont see him being as well prepared as usual. 12 weeks?

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