Climate summit - do our leaders care?
1) .... but most of them don't
2) ... yes, most of them do care
And I wanted to vote 1), so they do NOT care, but got it wrong and accidentally voted 2) - stupid me
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I think they care, they just care about anythings (namely power) first.
Unfortunately politicians find it hard to do somewhat unpopular things and while everyone says we should do more for the environment no one really wants to change their lifestyle to enable it and especially they don't want to be told how to change their lifestyle by someone else.0 -
Where is the climate summit being held?1
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Some, but ultimately it is way down on their list of priorities.
Main reason for attending is image.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Some have recently demonstrated they clearly don’t by scrapping their own policies that were actually pretty good and opposing things like solar farms.0
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The hilarious stance of "everyone should phase out fossil fuels except us as we've just issued new drilling license" does make the UK a bit of a laughing stock on the international stage.0
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I did enjoy the comments about oil producers holding the summit.
Eh, Glasgow? 🤣The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time.0 -
Haven't these people heard of Teams or Zoom?focuszing723 said:
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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It's the principle, especially as they need to set an example.rick_chasey said:Yes it’s the few thousand people flying to the Middle East that will tip it over the edge 🙄
The sort of people who lecture us on car use while jetting off abroad frequently are a bit annoying
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I am not making a moral case.Stevo_666 said:
It's the principle, especially as they need to set an example.rick_chasey said:Yes it’s the few thousand people flying to the Middle East that will tip it over the edge 🙄
The sort of people who lecture us on car use while jetting off abroad frequently are a bit annoying
I am not even especially making a climate case.
It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
I appreciate you want to make sustainable living hairshirt loving but there is a better alternative out there, but you don’t seem very interested in that.0 -
Can you take my fruit growing a bit more seriously please!rick_chasey said:Yes it’s the few thousand people flying to the Middle East that will tip it over the edge 🙄
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There's no swagger in that though, no photo opportunity.Stevo_666 said:
Haven't these people heard of Teams or Zoom?focuszing723 said:
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time.0 -
I did enjoy the irony of that part given your posts in other threads.rick_chasey said:
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It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
...The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
He, he's got a car too Blakeney and he disparages my fruit growing.pblakeney said:
I did enjoy the irony of that part given your posts in other threads.rick_chasey said:
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It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
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I did enjoy the irony of that part given your posts in other threads.rick_chasey said:
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It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
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rick_chasey said:
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I did enjoy the irony of that part given your posts in other threads.rick_chasey said:
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It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
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There is a huge shift in the way that we travel and the gov't is burying its head in the sand about it.
I don't have the answer, but there needs to be a rethink about how we do public transport, for a whole host of reasons. Whether it is environmental, working habits post-corona, demographics, urbanisation, etc etc.
Tot take on example, the elizabeth line is looking like public transport for the wrong era - people don't travel like they used to post-Corona, and you can tell. It's empty most of the time.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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That was just the first hit. Reads like you thought urbanisation was part of the answer.rick_chasey said:You’re gonna have to spell it out for me because I don’t see any irony or contradiction there.
Here's another one.
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Urban living is more efficient on resources.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
That was just the first hit. Reads like you thought urbanisation was part of the answer.rick_chasey said:You’re gonna have to spell it out for me because I don’t see any irony or contradiction there.
Here's another one.
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Urban living is more efficient on resources.
Yeah, all Rick is saying (I think) is that as more people live in cities, car transport in them becomes increasingly impractical. I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick and have run away with it.0 -
I don't know how often you use it but it's a poor substitute for in person meetings. Better than nothing, but really only good for presenting something too much information is lost to have a good conversation so I'd imagine it's pretty terrible for international diplomacy. Not sure we needed separate planes for PM, FS and King, though.focuszing723 said:
There's no swagger in that though, no photo opportunity.Stevo_666 said:
Haven't these people heard of Teams or Zoom?focuszing723 said:
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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You presume too much. I haven't seen a better alternative, not for where I live anyway.rick_chasey said:
I am not making a moral case.Stevo_666 said:
It's the principle, especially as they need to set an example.rick_chasey said:Yes it’s the few thousand people flying to the Middle East that will tip it over the edge 🙄
The sort of people who lecture us on car use while jetting off abroad frequently are a bit annoying
I am not even especially making a climate case.
It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
I appreciate you want to make sustainable living hairshirt loving but there is a better alternative out there, but you don’t seem very interested in that."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's fine, but don't be surprised if all their swagger is taken with a pinch of salt by the average Joe who I bet have a hundreth/thousandth of their carbon footprint.rjsterry said:
I don't know how often you use it but it's a poor substitute for in person meetings. Better than nothing, but really only good for presenting something too much information is lost to have a good conversation so I'd imagine it's pretty terrible for international diplomacy. Not sure we needed separate planes for PM, FS and King, though.focuszing723 said:
There's no swagger in that though, no photo opportunity.Stevo_666 said:
Haven't these people heard of Teams or Zoom?focuszing723 said:
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time.
I would love to see a carbon footprint attributed to each individual on Earth, honestly, I bet everyone in that shot would be wangered if there was a limit.
Yeah, not to use the same aircraft is indefensible if that's the case, especially given the circumstance.
If anyone mentions Elon Musk's travelling arrangements, that's different, leave it!0 -
Pretty much all of us on this forum all have cars. You have to wonder why...focuszing723 said:
He, he's got a car too Blakeney and he disparages my fruit growing.pblakeney said:
I did enjoy the irony of that part given your posts in other threads.rick_chasey said:
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It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Pretty much all of us on this forum all have cars. You have to wonder why...focuszing723 said:
He, he's got a car too Blakeney and he disparages my fruit growing.pblakeney said:
I did enjoy the irony of that part given your posts in other threads.rick_chasey said:
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It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
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They do have their uses from time to time for most people, in the current situation, though I think the model of ownership will change, and their ubiquity will diminish, certainly in cities, as the ownership rate in London demonstrates: only 54% of households there have a car.
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Did they fly commercial (in which case it's irrelevant being on different planes) or private?rjsterry said:
I don't know how often you use it but it's a poor substitute for in person meetings. Better than nothing, but really only good for presenting something too much information is lost to have a good conversation so I'd imagine it's pretty terrible for international diplomacy. Not sure we needed separate planes for PM, FS and King, though.focuszing723 said:
There's no swagger in that though, no photo opportunity.Stevo_666 said:
Haven't these people heard of Teams or Zoom?focuszing723 said:
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time.0 -
I believe they all flew privately, but yes, I different commercial flights would be fine.Dorset_Boy said:
Did they fly commercial (in which case it's irrelevant being on different planes) or private?rjsterry said:
I don't know how often you use it but it's a poor substitute for in person meetings. Better than nothing, but really only good for presenting something too much information is lost to have a good conversation so I'd imagine it's pretty terrible for international diplomacy. Not sure we needed separate planes for PM, FS and King, though.focuszing723 said:
There's no swagger in that though, no photo opportunity.Stevo_666 said:
Haven't these people heard of Teams or Zoom?focuszing723 said:
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Pretty irrelevant to the thread TBH.Stevo_666 said:
Pretty much all of us on this forum all have cars. You have to wonder why...focuszing723 said:
He, he's got a car too Blakeney and he disparages my fruit growing.pblakeney said:
I did enjoy the irony of that part given your posts in other threads.rick_chasey said:
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It’s just practical to recognise car driving is unsustainable on 2 axis - climate change and the geometry of urban living and the continuing rate of urbanisation.
...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Look, climate change is mainly a political problem, so getting the world's leaders together to discuss it is entirely sensible.
And anyone who's been in a teams meeting knows that's not how you get things done.
Do they care? Well for the democratic countries they care as much as they need to to stay in power, with a bit of leadership thrown in around the literal sustainability of it all if they don't do anything. I don't think there is much of a Churchill type who will put a line in the sand and say, screw our self interest, this is what we must do for the good of the world, but I suspect they all get the research and know the deal.
For the autocrats it's rather harder to solve and it's a case-by-case thing, but they usually are interested in whatever keeps them in power in the short-to-medium term and I don't think the incentive structure for dealing with climate change really aligns with their objectives.
I have to say I am struggling about the optics of holding it in a despot ridden country that relies more or less entirely on the world burning fossil fuels to both fund the country and bribe the local population to stay in power, but anyway.1 -
Anyone who travels internationally for work is likely to have a larger footprint. Typical personal footprint for the UK is 11.7t. international flight is around 0.25t/passenger/hour. So a 4 or 5 hr flight adds about 10% to an annual footprint.focuszing723 said:
That's fine, but don't be surprised if all their swagger is taken with a pinch of salt by the average Joe who I bet have a hundreth/thousandth of their carbon footprint.rjsterry said:
I don't know how often you use it but it's a poor substitute for in person meetings. Better than nothing, but really only good for presenting something too much information is lost to have a good conversation so I'd imagine it's pretty terrible for international diplomacy. Not sure we needed separate planes for PM, FS and King, though.focuszing723 said:
There's no swagger in that though, no photo opportunity.Stevo_666 said:
Haven't these people heard of Teams or Zoom?focuszing723 said:
I just want to thank these leaders for smashing it with their carbon footprint on this summit. I reckon if more people can follow their example I will be growing cool exotic fruit in the garden in no time.
I would love to see a carbon footprint attributed to each individual on Earth, honestly, I bet everyone in that shot would be wangered if there was a limit.
Yeah, not to use the same aircraft is indefensible if that's the case, especially given the circumstance.
If anyone mentions Elon Musk's travelling arrangements, that's different, leave it!
It's just unrealistic to expect a head of state, PM or FS to be even close to average carbon footprint. As daft as expecting them to run the country via a laptop and domestic broadband. Given that reducing global emissions is essentially a diplomatic problem that is then implemented nationally, who exactly do the naysayers think should be attending if not the HoS, PM and FS?
Whether they come away with anything substantive is down to their diplomatic skills but pretending that thiscan all be solved with a Zoom call or two is ridiculous. And 'principles' are just excuses for people who don't want to change.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
