Vuelta build up

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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,382
    Latest Watts Occurring has just dropped for inside info on the Ineos squad
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,700
    Race coverage remains the same, so just the last few hours.
    So any crazy starts will once again not feature. Instead we'll join at the race at the same time as Dan Lloyd.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,533
    Quickstep squad not looking quite as devastating as Jumbo-Visma


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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,445
    Luis Leon Sanchez has been named in the Astana squad. I didn't realise until today, but he's never won a Vuelta stage, and this will be his tenth participation. That surprised me a lot.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,445
    DSM line-up is very inexperienced, with four neo-pros (Flynn, Milesi, Onley and Poole) by my reckoning.

  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,235
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Quickstep squad not looking quite as devastating as Jumbo-Visma

    Nobody concerned that half of the JV squad "should" be fatigued having just ridden the Tour?
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,941
    DeadCalm said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Quickstep squad not looking quite as devastating as Jumbo-Visma

    Nobody concerned that half of the JV squad "should" be fatigued having just ridden the Tour?
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  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    edited August 2023
    RichN95. said:

    The bookie's odds:

    5/4 Vingegaard
    3/1 Roglic
    4/1 Evenepoel
    9/2 Ayuso
    14/1 Thomas
    17/1 Mas
    25/1 Almeida
    40/1 Carapaz
    50/1 Vlasov, Vine
    70/1 Bilbao
    75/1 Gaudu, Arensman, L.Martinez

    I've gone for a tenner on Roglic and £2.50 each way on Arensman (they don't let you bet big on cycling)

    G to podium better odds than Roglic to win the thing though? Skybet has G to podium at 4/1 which seems pretty good.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,584
    norvernrob said:

    RichN95. said:

    The bookie's odds:

    5/4 Vingegaard
    3/1 Roglic
    4/1 Evenepoel
    9/2 Ayuso
    14/1 Thomas
    17/1 Mas
    25/1 Almeida
    40/1 Carapaz
    50/1 Vlasov, Vine
    70/1 Bilbao
    75/1 Gaudu, Arensman, L.Martinez

    I've gone for a tenner on Roglic and £2.50 each way on Arensman (they don't let you bet big on cycling)

    G to podium better odds than Roglic to win the thing though? Skybet has G to podium at 4/1 which seems pretty good.
    Always remember, especially in cycling because it's a thin market, that at a British bookie, the British contenders always have shorter odds as they are bet on a disproportionate amount.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,751
    Ayuso has gone out to 7/1 at Hills.

    Seems decent odds
  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    rick_chasey said:

    norvernrob said:

    RichN95. said:

    The bookie's odds:

    5/4 Vingegaard
    3/1 Roglic
    4/1 Evenepoel
    9/2 Ayuso
    14/1 Thomas
    17/1 Mas
    25/1 Almeida
    40/1 Carapaz
    50/1 Vlasov, Vine
    70/1 Bilbao
    75/1 Gaudu, Arensman, L.Martinez

    I've gone for a tenner on Roglic and £2.50 each way on Arensman (they don't let you bet big on cycling)

    G to podium better odds than Roglic to win the thing though? Skybet has G to podium at 4/1 which seems pretty good.
    Always remember, especially in cycling because it's a thin market, that at a British bookie, the British contenders always have shorter odds as they are bet on a disproportionate amount.
    It’s the opposite though, G is bigger odds to finish top 3 than Roglic is to win it. Roglic is 5/2 with Skybet to win it, G is 14/1 to win or 4/1 to podium. Those odds seem a long way apart given how close the Giro was.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,584
    edited August 2023
    Fair enough. I wouldn't put Thomas that near Roglic tbh.

    It was close because Roglic crashed and took some time to recover.
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  • hanshotfirst
    hanshotfirst Posts: 397
    Trek

  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 308
    edited August 2023
    rick_chasey said:

    Fair enough. I wouldn't put Thomas that near Roglic tbh.

    It was close because Roglic crashed and took some time to recover.

    Roglic crashed after the long Sunday ITT no? Thomas took a chunk of time on that ITT.

    That said, Thomas doesnt do two peaks in a season. I’d be surprised if he made top 10. I suspect he will be stage hunting after a while.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,790
    stage_hunter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Fair enough. I wouldn't put Thomas that near Roglic tbh.

    It was close because Roglic crashed and took some time to recover.

    Roglic crashed after the long Sunday ITT no? Thomas took a chunk of time on that ITT.

    That said, Thomas doesnt do two peaks in a season. I’d be surprised if he made top 10. I suspect he will be stage hunting after a while.
    Arensman is 3rd step material with G supporting is my guess .


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  • alan_a
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    pblakeney said:

    At what point does everyone become ABJ?

    I have always preferred A BJ
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,951
    edited August 2023
    alan_a said:

    pblakeney said:

    At what point does everyone become ABJ?

    I have always preferred A BJ
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  • wakemalcolm
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    If we're getting silly, it's time someone kicked off the Mas debate. He's always pretty handy during the Vuelta.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 7,865
    Landa looked like a fookin statue of rock solidness when he used to ferry Frome to the summits. I keep expecting more.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 505
    focuszing723 said:

    Landa looked like a fookin statue of rock solidness when he used to ferry Frome to the summits. I keep expecting more.

    8 years ago now.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 7,865
    Thomas is 37, Landa is 33 years old.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 7,865
    Roglic is 33 too.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,951
    Age isn't the issue, palmares is.
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 505
    focuszing723 said:

    Thomas is 37, Landa is 33 years old.

    Thomas has achieved a lot more in the last 8 years. Landa hasn't progressed during that time.
  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,638
    Yeah, a few years ago I used to keep an eye on/follow Landa in great expectation.
    Recently I've not given a toss, and will continue not to until he actually does get a result.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,584
    Have generally failed to follow any of the Spanish riders and tbh, has worked out for me.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,751
    Mas and Soler seem interesting characters from watching the Movistar documentary. Soler seemed to assume he was destined to go on to win stuff and then didn't.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,454
    Landa is and always was extremely overrated.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,398
    I'm planning to be on the Angliru. I think I'm driving between two places on our holiday that day. Anyone got any top tips? I presume you'll need to park somewhere and walk up early doors? Won't have bikes.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,398
    I think I'm going from the start town in Ribadesella to Oveido actually, so pretty much on the route

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