Vuelta build up

r0bh
r0bh Posts: 2,294
Ineos: Arensman, Bernal, Castro, De Plus, Fraile, Ganna, Heiduk, Thomas

No space for Rowe, who was talking as though he was going on their pod the other week.

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  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,577
    I don't see that as a GC team.
  • Thomas and Arensmen as co-leaders, Fraile / DePlus / Castro mountain domestiques / Ganna to control the bunch, Heiduk / Bernal no idea. Not a bad GC team.
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,294
    It's 6 out of 8 of the Giro team
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,313

    I don't see that as a GC team.

    Have you not got your glasses on or something?
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 482
    I'd say that's a fairly decent GC team. Be good to see what Arensman can do if he gets the chance.

    Surprised at Rowe, he was definitely talking as if he was going. Out of contract this year as well.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,313
    I'd assumed Heiduk was on his way out of Ineos, after not really setting the world alight during his time there, but if he's been selected to ride the Vuelta ahead of Rowe then they must have plans for him.
  • Amazed they found 8 riders left to make up the team
  • flite
    flite Posts: 222
    Who would be road captain out of that team?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,313
    flite said:

    Who would be road captain out of that team?

    Either Fraile or Castroviejo I'd have thought.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,937
    edited August 2023
    I suppose all eyes will be on the Quickstep team to see if any miraculously decide to work for INEOS (or vice versa I suppose).
  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,577
    andyp said:

    I don't see that as a GC team.

    Have you not got your glasses on or something?
    I just expect to better lineups from other teams.
    It's only an opinion and it's only the internet.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,558

    andyp said:

    I don't see that as a GC team.

    Have you not got your glasses on or something?
    I just expect to better lineups from other teams.
    It's only an opinion and it's only the internet.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 42,428
    Just realised how few of the riders I would recognise without a race number on their back.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,404
    andyp said:

    flite said:

    Who would be road captain out of that team?

    Either Fraile or Castroviejo I'd have thought.
    Probably Geraint Thomas.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,294
    I can't help but think that the role of "road captain" is somewhat overstated. Who was Vingegaard's or Pogacar's road captain at the Tour? Or Roglic's at the Giro?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,313
    r0bh said:

    I can't help but think that the role of "road captain" is somewhat overstated. Who was Vingegaard's or Pogacar's road captain at the Tour? Or Roglic's at the Giro?

    I don't think it is, it's a crucial role. Every team has someone, usually one of the experienced riders, who calls the shots on the road, decides when to work or not, talks and negotiates with other teams, and generally provides direction to the team in the moment. They obviously have a DS in the car, but quite often the DS doesn't see what's happening in the bunch and relies on someone to ensure the team's strategy is implemented.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,419

    I don't see that as a GC team.

    Arensmen with g in support ?
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,146

    I don't see that as a GC team.

    Arensmen with g in support ?
    The other way round all things being equal.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 482
    DeadCalm said:

    I don't see that as a GC team.

    Arensmen with g in support ?
    The other way round all things being equal.
    Let the road decide
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,224
    edited August 2023
    The bookie's odds:

    5/4 Vingegaard
    3/1 Roglic
    4/1 Evenepoel
    9/2 Ayuso
    14/1 Thomas
    17/1 Mas
    25/1 Almeida
    40/1 Carapaz
    50/1 Vlasov, Vine
    70/1 Bilbao
    75/1 Gaudu, Arensman, L.Martinez

    I've gone for a tenner on Roglic and £2.50 each way on Arensman (they don't let you bet big on cycling)
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 74,785
    RichN95. said:

    The bookie's odds:

    5/4 Vingegaard
    3/1 Roglic
    4/1 Evenepoel
    9/2 Ayuso
    14/1 Thomas
    17/1 Mas
    25/1 Almeida
    40/1 Carapaz
    50/1 Vlasov, Vine
    70/1 Bilbao
    75/1 Gaudu, Arensman, L.Martinez

    I've gone for a tenner on Roglic and £2.50 each way on Arensman (they don't let you bet big on cycling)

    Any more and you’ll be bigger than the market.

    Why don’t you make your own odds on bet fair and make the market yourself? You probably know more than most professional bookies at this point.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,224



    Any more and you’ll be bigger than the market.

    Why don’t you make your own odds on bet fair and make the market yourself? You probably know more than most professional bookies at this point.

    You should look at my PTP performance.
    I know that bookies work on the basic building blocks that insurance does, and I'm not taking on that much data.
    I do enough data analysis at work to know that you should just keep it light and cheap.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,558
    RichN95. said:



    Any more and you’ll be bigger than the market.

    Why don’t you make your own odds on bet fair and make the market yourself? You probably know more than most professional bookies at this point.

    You should look at my PTP performance.
    I know that bookies work on the basic building blocks that insurance does, and I'm not taking on that much data.
    I do enough data analysis at work to know that you should just keep it light and cheap.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 74,785
    RichN95. said:



    Any more and you’ll be bigger than the market.

    Why don’t you make your own odds on bet fair and make the market yourself? You probably know more than most professional bookies at this point.

    You should look at my PTP performance.
    I know that bookies work on the basic building blocks that insurance does, and I'm not taking on that much data.
    I do enough data analysis at work to know that you should just keep it light and cheap.
    I would be very surprised if they are considering more data then you are when it comes to cycling.

  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,146
    Carapaz apparently not riding.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 74,785
    EF can’t catch a break this year
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,225
    Strong whiff of everyone else thinking "we should just give up and go home" about this team

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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,294
    Should we read anything into Vingegaard being listed above Roglic?
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 482
    If they don’t win this there is something seriously wrong!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,558
    At what point does everyone become ABJ?
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    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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