Michael Hessman -Jumbo Visma
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Hmmmm....0
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22 year old with few results.1
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I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.0
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Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
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Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
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Nah, JV are motor doping with those magic gyro wheels. Seen on t'internet so must be true.0
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Doesn’t explain why he’s taking it though.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
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You wouldn't. However you would likely consider using a masking agent to mask a detectable drug. I'm not saying JV are using a "wonder drug", but if they are, the use of a masking agent at the same time makes sense as "wonder drug plus masking agent" is essentially an undetectable wonder drug in practice. The worst case scenario is that there's a failure for a low-grade substance used as as agent, such as a diuretic, which is not going to upset any apple carts for JV, as obviously you don't win all those GTs on the back of just diuretics.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
The flip side of course is that the rider may have been taking the diuretic as a diuretic to hit a weight target in the short term at a scheduled weigh in. It doesn't feel hugely likely that JV would be "burning their matches" using a wonder drug outside of the biggest hitters for the biggest races.
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To hit a weight target to make a team selection?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t explain why he’s taking it though.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
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If it was this then there are questions to ask about athlete welfare IMHOwallace_and_gromit said:
To hit a weight target to make a team selection?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t explain why he’s taking it though.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
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It's a masking agent to hide doping and is a banned substance for that reason.andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
They were obviously using it to pass doping tests while doping as young athletes typically don't have medical conditions that warrant the use of this banned substance.
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You seem to know an awful lot about their motives. Backed up with zero evidence as always.zest28 said:
It's a masking agent to hide doping and is a banned substance for that reason.andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
They were obviously using it to pass doping tests while doping as young athletes typically don't have medical conditions that warrant the use of this banned substance.
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What is the substance that he's failed the test for?zest28 said:
It's a masking agent to hide doping and is a banned substance for that reason.andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
They were obviously using it to pass doping tests while doping as young athletes typically don't have medical conditions that warrant the use of this banned substance.0 -
We don’t know so pointless speculating.wallace_and_gromit said:
To hit a weight target to make a team selection?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t explain why he’s taking it though.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
Jumbo have a 3 strikes and out agreement re doping so worth keeping an eye on. One down.0 -
Surely after two genuine tests failures you'd have served so long via bans (e.g. 2 yrs first; 4 for second) that the third strike would be superfluous.rick_chasey said:Jumbo have a 3 strikes and out agreement re doping so worth keeping an eye on. One down.
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I think the point is two-fold:andyp said:
You seem to know an awful lot about their motives. Backed up with zero evidence as always.zest28 said:
It's a masking agent to hide doping and is a banned substance for that reason.andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
They were obviously using it to pass doping tests while doping as young athletes typically don't have medical conditions that warrant the use of this banned substance.
1) You don't consume diuretics by accident
2) A professional athlete wouldn't normally be prescribed them by a doctor
Which leads to the obvious question: Why has he tested positive?0 -
I read that as the sponsor has a 3 chance rule ?[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]2
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And none of us know what's gone on here. It's possible the team use a little known rider to test their doping protocol before using it on the big guns as if and when it goes wrong the fallout is less than if Vingegaard is popped at the Tour. If I was running a team doping programme I think that's what I'd be doing.
But of course I can make up half a dozen other possible stories equally with no evidence to choose between them.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Aren't Jumbo leaving at end of next year anyway?rick_chasey said:
We don’t know so pointless speculating.wallace_and_gromit said:
To hit a weight target to make a team selection?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t explain why he’s taking it though.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
Jumbo have a 3 strikes and out agreement re doping so worth keeping an eye on. One down.1 -
Huh?rick_chasey said:
We don’t know so pointless speculating
Apart from reading about what bike races unemployed or retired people are watching, what else is anybody doing here?
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Cake is just weakness entering the body2 -
Skiving, like me?wakemalcolm said:
Huh?rick_chasey said:
We don’t know so pointless speculating
Apart from reading about what bike races unemployed or retired people are watching, what else is anybody doing here?
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wakemalcolm said:
Huh?rick_chasey said:
We don’t know so pointless speculating
Apart from reading about what bike races unemployed or retired people are watching, what else is anybody doing here?
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I'm here to meet hot chicks[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]3 -
Best to just ignore the fuckwit.andyp said:
You seem to know an awful lot about their motives. Backed up with zero evidence as always.zest28 said:
It's a masking agent to hide doping and is a banned substance for that reason.andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
They were obviously using it to pass doping tests while doping as young athletes typically don't have medical conditions that warrant the use of this banned substance.2 -
If it was then it is probably the rider doing it off their own back. A team is unlikely to be risking giving riders an easily detected banned substance especially when it isn’t going to improve performance.r0bh said:
If it was this then there are questions to ask about athlete welfare IMHOwallace_and_gromit said:
To hit a weight target to make a team selection?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t explain why he’s taking it though.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
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But the sanctions aren’t any different for a ‘low grade’ substance as for anything more seriously performance enhancing are they?wallace_and_gromit said:
You wouldn't. However you would likely consider using a masking agent to mask a detectable drug. I'm not saying JV are using a "wonder drug", but if they are, the use of a masking agent at the same time makes sense as "wonder drug plus masking agent" is essentially an undetectable wonder drug in practice. The worst case scenario is that there's a failure for a low-grade substance used as as agent, such as a diuretic, which is not going to upset any apple carts for JV, as obviously you don't win all those GTs on the back of just diuretics.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
The flip side of course is that the rider may have been taking the diuretic as a diuretic to hit a weight target in the short term at a scheduled weigh in. It doesn't feel hugely likely that JV would be "burning their matches" using a wonder drug outside of the biggest hitters for the biggest races.0 -
If your team was running a world-beating and top secret drug program would you risk giving the intern a go? I don't know if the 'inner circle' of JV are on anything or not (I like to think not) but I highly doubt every one of their riders is.1
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I was thinking in PR terms. No-one can argue that anyone takes diuretics for a material performance improvement, so JV won't suffer reputational damage one would think. A failure of a test for some new type of steroid or blood booster would raise far more questions, as the performance impact of those can be material.Pross said:
But the sanctions aren’t any different for a ‘low grade’ substance as for anything more seriously performance enhancing are they?wallace_and_gromit said:
You wouldn't. However you would likely consider using a masking agent to mask a detectable drug. I'm not saying JV are using a "wonder drug", but if they are, the use of a masking agent at the same time makes sense as "wonder drug plus masking agent" is essentially an undetectable wonder drug in practice. The worst case scenario is that there's a failure for a low-grade substance used as as agent, such as a diuretic, which is not going to upset any apple carts for JV, as obviously you don't win all those GTs on the back of just diuretics.andyp said:
Why would you use an easily detectable drug to mask an undetectable drug?wallace_and_gromit said:
Masking agent?andyp said:I'd be astonished if the super drug that some of you think Jumbo-Visma are using is a diuretic.
The flip side of course is that the rider may have been taking the diuretic as a diuretic to hit a weight target in the short term at a scheduled weigh in. It doesn't feel hugely likely that JV would be "burning their matches" using a wonder drug outside of the biggest hitters for the biggest races.
But in terms of the rider, I've got a dim memory that there are different categories of drugs per the WADA code, with a different scale of sanctions for each category. Though it's a long time since I've read the WADA code.0 -
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