“Yona Tan Mee Lan”

“Never heard of him”, I was thinking to myself whilst watching the Giro Stage 2…

Only to see the results flash up on the screen & realise it was Jonathan Milan!🙄

Is the extravagant pronounciation really necessary?



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  • hanshotfirst
    hanshotfirst Posts: 375
    Rob Hatch?

    Final straw for me was when he put several Hs at the start of GVA's name not so long ago.

    Hhhhhreg Van Ay-vermate

    Aye, ok mate.
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,140
    If that is how he/ Italians pronounce his name, then yes. He's not English...
    If you're familiar with the Scottish football commentator, Derek Rae, then he's big on pronouncing names as they are meant. Too many anglo commentators are pretty ignorant about names/ places.

    On the old Ch4 Football Italia, James Richardson would pronounce Milan, as Mee-lan.
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,925
    Being of Polish stock, it's a bugbear of mine that pretty much every GCN commentator gets Kasia Niewiadoma's name wrong. Kasha. It's pronounced Kasha ffs, not Kaseea.
  • andyrac said:

    If that is how he/ Italians pronounce his name, then yes. He's not English...
    If you're familiar with the Scottish football commentator, Derek Rae, then he's big on pronouncing names as they are meant. Too many anglo commentators are pretty ignorant about names/ places.

    On the old Ch4 Football Italia, James Richardson would pronounce Milan, as Mee-lan.

    Interestingly I google searched if indeed the Italians pronounced it “Yona Tan” and no, they don’t. They say “Jonathan” very similarly to how we say it.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,552
    Here's some help with some of the really tricky ones
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,206
    Little englanders unite.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,552
    Here in Denmark we have very, very low expectations of commentators pronouncing Danish names (even though Danish coms aren't especially good at foreign names), but the worst is Cecilie. It just isn't anywhere near "Sessily". It's Cecilie, just like in the song "you're breaking my heart". That should make it ridiculously simple for them, but no.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 8,786
    Surely Jose Been takes this to another level. Whether Hatch's pronunciation is correct or not at least his comprise primarily of sounds that exist in the English language. Once you know Yona Tan Me Lan is Jonathan Milan you are good to go. Jose seems to pronounce every name using those sounds that we don't have in English - it may be correct for a native Flemish/Dutch speaker but I really find it difficult to follow who she is referring to as every rider is just a collection of incomprehensible noises arranged in different order.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,370
    edited May 2023
    Well this was worth a whole new thread of it’s own.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,495

    andyrac said:

    If that is how he/ Italians pronounce his name, then yes. He's not English...
    If you're familiar with the Scottish football commentator, Derek Rae, then he's big on pronouncing names as they are meant. Too many anglo commentators are pretty ignorant about names/ places.

    On the old Ch4 Football Italia, James Richardson would pronounce Milan, as Mee-lan.

    Interestingly I google searched if indeed the Italians pronounced it “Yona Tan” and no, they don’t. They say “Jonathan” very similarly to how we say it.
    I have an Italian/English friend that I see most times we go to Italy, his name is Jonathan. The Italians get the J right, but the th is just a t so he tends to be referred to as Jonatan, but more usually abbreviated so it's not an issue.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    When I used to live in France, I had two english friends, Harry and Ed.

    My italian friends were quite literally incapable of calling them anything other than Arry and Head.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,174
    edited May 2023

    When I used to live in France, I had two english friends, Harry and Ed.

    My italian friends were quite literally incapable of calling them anything other than Arry and Head.

    Said it before but on topic, in Montreal a Honda Accord becomes a Onda H'accord.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,552
    Poor old Ugo Oule
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,439
    Sam Benenet-t-t-t-t-t is what I'm calling him from now on tho 😁
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • diplodicus
    diplodicus Posts: 713
    Pronouncing as Jonathan today ;)
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,188
    Watching Eurovision yesterday, Mel Geidroyc was commentating and at one point said “sorry for the pretentious pronunciations, but I studied Modern Languages and want show it off”
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,675
    I don’t mind the pronunciation thing thing, but saying today that TGH rode the ‘time trial of his career’ when he literally won the actual Giro by a TT in 2020 makes it a bit of a stretch.
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,370

    I don’t mind the pronunciation thing thing, but saying today that TGH rode the ‘time trial of his career’ when he literally won the actual Giro by a TT in 2020 makes it a bit of a stretch.

    His TT today was better. He was 13th, 58” down on the stage in 2020. He ‘just’ needed to beat Hindley.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,206
    I think that's by far the best TT result TGH has had in a major stage race. By some margin.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 73,620

    I don’t mind the pronunciation thing thing, but saying today that TGH rode the ‘time trial of his career’ when he literally won the actual Giro by a TT in 2020 makes it a bit of a stretch.

    Soft giro though wasn’t it?

    Not his fault, he can only beat the riders who start with him.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,675
    This Giro may play out yet in his favour (I hope so) but figures schmigures … that Giro winning one was his career highlight thus far.
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087

    This Giro may play out yet in his favour (I hope so) but figures schmigures … that Giro winning one was his career highlight thus far.

    I would have thought winning a Giro might be a lot of riders career highlight.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,370

    This Giro may play out yet in his favour (I hope so) but figures schmigures … that Giro winning one was his career highlight thus far.

    The Giro win was but not necessarily the TT.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,675
    Pross said:

    This Giro may play out yet in his favour (I hope so) but figures schmigures … that Giro winning one was his career highlight thus far.

    The Giro win was but not necessarily the TT.
    Its a fair point. I guess it depends how you view it. Best performance data wise, or as an actual means to an end.
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,174
    Pross said:

    This Giro may play out yet in his favour (I hope so) but figures schmigures … that Giro winning one was his career highlight thus far.

    The Giro win was but not necessarily the TT.
    To give your post some perspective, he finished the TT stage in 13th place 58 seconds behind the winner Ganna.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,370
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    This Giro may play out yet in his favour (I hope so) but figures schmigures … that Giro winning one was his career highlight thus far.

    The Giro win was but not necessarily the TT.
    To give your post some perspective, he finished the TT stage in 13th place 58 seconds behind the winner Ganna.
    I said that further up :wink:
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,711
    Funny moment for the language police

    In What's Occurring, G asked his masseuse who Aurelien PP rose for and he said "Ah Jay Deux Air" to which G replied "Ah, AG2R"
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,174
    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    This Giro may play out yet in his favour (I hope so) but figures schmigures … that Giro winning one was his career highlight thus far.

    The Giro win was but not necessarily the TT.
    To give your post some perspective, he finished the TT stage in 13th place 58 seconds behind the winner Ganna.
    I said that further up :wink:
    Ah!
    Too much wine with dinner last night and completely forgot. 😉
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,368
    Milan has been really impressive so far on the road. Don't know if the case couldn't be made, that he already seems to be a better road racer than Ganna (based purely on road racing excluding TT's and track obviously). His start is extremely promising at the very least.
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  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    m.r.m. said:

    Milan has been really impressive so far on the road. Don't know if the case couldn't be made, that he already seems to be a better road racer than Ganna (based purely on road racing excluding TT's and track obviously). His start is extremely promising at the very least.

    Ganna has come 2nd in MSR and 6th in Roubaix. He's also won a Giro road stage.