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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,750
    Rohan better feel motivated in his final year ... Van emdem is a bit bulky in the hills
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  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 1,910
    Fingers crossed he can find some of the form that towed TGH round in '20.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,703
    JimD666 said:

    Fingers crossed he can find some of the form that towed TGH round in '20.

    Maybe he'll tow TGH round in '23. Not purposefully, but still....
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,634
    Who do we think Ineos leader will be?

    TGH has the number 1 bib and is "in the form of his life" according to G

    Or will be a case of "the road decides"?
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    wakemalcolm Posts: 657


    Or will be a case of "the road decides"?

    Or the bidon, or the motorbike.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,269

    Who do we think Ineos leader will be?

    TGH has the number 1 bib and is "in the form of his life" according to G

    Or will be a case of "the road decides"?

    It's always been a bit "the road decides" since the Froome demise. TGH is in great form, but if Thomas reaches anything like his Tour 22 form then he's a serious threat as well
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 463
    TGH if he can avoid any bad days. It’s contract year, he’ll want to podium!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,498
    Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,703

    Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?

    How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?
    I cannot recall. That will be key.
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,570
    edited May 2023
    Great to see TGH on really good form, but I struggle to see him beating Rog and Remco in their current form - I hope to be wrong though, and I'd like to think there would at least be a decent GC battle.
    A 3 or 4 horse race would be preferable to a 2 horse one imo.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,498
    pblakeney said:

    Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?

    How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?
    I cannot recall. That will be key.
    No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.
  • commuterlegs
    commuterlegs Posts: 268
    So we have Remco and Roglic as favourites, TGH and Thomas as podium contenders and then any of the below as wildcards to be up there?

    Almeida / Carthy / Vine / Vlasov / Haig

    Anyone I'm missing? Seems pretty thin. Hoping at least it's an all-out fight for stages to provide the entertainment, lots of good stage hunters on the start line and not sure either Quickstep or Jumbo are strong enough to control the whole race.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,498
    Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 8,728
    Thomas is an interesting one to watch - I know he's getting on for a cyclist but he's had so much misfortune in grand tours that, his 1 TdF win aside, his record probably doesn't do justice to his good he was. 3rd in the Tour last year, if he has had a good preparation for this Giro it's possible he could make it a 3 horse race
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,703

    pblakeney said:

    Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?

    How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?
    I cannot recall. That will be key.
    No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.
    Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 5,840

    Thomas is an interesting one to watch - I know he's getting on for a cyclist but he's had so much misfortune in grand tours that, his 1 TdF win aside, his record probably doesn't do justice to his good he was. 3rd in the Tour last year, if he has had a good preparation for this Giro it's possible he could make it a 3 horse race

    Is he going to crash into a field containing three horses? ;)
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,750
    edited May 2023

    Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.

    A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.


    We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can


    I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.

    Its down to who can follow

    Anyone can crack in the third ....
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,634
    Remco did OK at Sierra Nevada in the Vuelta, and matched Rog in the Volta Catalunya which had some relatively high MTFs
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,750
    edited May 2023
    I get the feeling roglic is slightly past his past ..remco is still imptoving and TGH is as good as he ever will be .

    Hugh almeida and vine are wild cards for a podium . Haig just can't see it

    Caruso .....delusional old man energy ... Is he going?
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,750
    G may come good and surprise ...but he is looking tired
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905
    pblakeney said:

    pblakeney said:

    Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?

    How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?
    I cannot recall. That will be key.
    No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.
    Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.
    The Giro is different gravy though. The climb to Pico Veleta, for instance, is just long and steady at around 6%. Contrast that to the Tre Cime stage where the Giau is barely below 10% all the way and the finale up Tre Cime itself notorious. Add in that the Giro usually has some dodgy weather to contend with and Remco has to have a question mark against him, especially given how he fared in his last participation.

    Given all the variables involved it's probably the least predictable of the GTs.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,703
    phreak said:

    pblakeney said:

    pblakeney said:

    Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?

    How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?
    I cannot recall. That will be key.
    No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.
    Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.
    The Giro is different gravy though. The climb to Pico Veleta, for instance, is just long and steady at around 6%. Contrast that to the Tre Cime stage where the Giau is barely below 10% all the way and the finale up Tre Cime itself notorious. Add in that the Giro usually has some dodgy weather to contend with and Remco has to have a question mark against him, especially given how he fared in his last participation.

    Given all the variables involved it's probably the least predictable of the GTs.
    Agreed. Anyone wanting to beat Remco has to commit 100% to attack on days like the Tre Cime stage, or give up hope.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,703

    Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.

    A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.


    We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can


    I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.

    Its down to who can follow

    Anyone can crack in the third ....
    The Sky train has been consigned to history.
    The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905
    pblakeney said:

    phreak said:

    pblakeney said:

    pblakeney said:

    Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?

    How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?
    I cannot recall. That will be key.
    No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.
    Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.
    The Giro is different gravy though. The climb to Pico Veleta, for instance, is just long and steady at around 6%. Contrast that to the Tre Cime stage where the Giau is barely below 10% all the way and the finale up Tre Cime itself notorious. Add in that the Giro usually has some dodgy weather to contend with and Remco has to have a question mark against him, especially given how he fared in his last participation.

    Given all the variables involved it's probably the least predictable of the GTs.
    Agreed. Anyone wanting to beat Remco has to commit 100% to attack on days like the Tre Cime stage, or give up hope.
    Especially as there's a pretty good chance that Remco will have no team to help him by the time they get to Cortina that day. That said, the weather always plays a part so it's never guaranteed that the parcours as it is today will be what they ride. The last time they rode the Giau the stage was massively shortened due to weather.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,201
    Remco looked very impressive on the long climbs in the vuelta. I think he got a reality check in Catalunya, but still looked like he's learnt a lot since his last go in the giro.
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,634
    pblakeney said:

    Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.

    A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.


    We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can


    I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.

    Its down to who can follow

    Anyone can crack in the third ....
    The Sky train has been consigned to history.
    The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.
    There was a bit of a train in the Tour of the Alps
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,634

    Remco looked very impressive on the long climbs in the vuelta. I think he got a reality check in Catalunya, but still looked like he's learnt a lot since his last go in the giro.

    I don't think his last Giro is any kind of barometer, given he was a) 2 years younger then and b) coming back off a very serious injury and it was his first race back
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,750
    pblakeney said:

    Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.

    A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.


    We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can


    I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.

    Its down to who can follow

    Anyone can crack in the third ....
    The Sky train has been consigned to history.
    The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.
    I would agree but
    Go tell ineos that

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,703

    pblakeney said:

    Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.

    A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.


    We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can


    I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.

    Its down to who can follow

    Anyone can crack in the third ....
    The Sky train has been consigned to history.
    The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.
    There was a bit of a train in the Tour of the Alps
    Probably more to do with the competition. Jumbo have been blowing up the Ineos train when it matters.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,147

    Remco looked very impressive on the long climbs in the vuelta. I think he got a reality check in Catalunya, but still looked like he's learnt a lot since his last go in the giro.

    He lost time in both Vuelta stages at high altitude and they were longer TT style climbs rather than Giro steepness.
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