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Jumbo already in the problems.
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Rohan better feel motivated in his final year ... Van emdem is a bit bulky in the hills"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Fingers crossed he can find some of the form that towed TGH round in '20.0
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Maybe he'll tow TGH round in '23. Not purposefully, but still....JimD666 said:Fingers crossed he can find some of the form that towed TGH round in '20.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.2 -
Who do we think Ineos leader will be?
TGH has the number 1 bib and is "in the form of his life" according to G
Or will be a case of "the road decides"?0 -
Or the bidon, or the motorbike.takethehighroad said:
Or will be a case of "the road decides"?================================
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It's always been a bit "the road decides" since the Froome demise. TGH is in great form, but if Thomas reaches anything like his Tour 22 form then he's a serious threat as welltakethehighroad said:Who do we think Ineos leader will be?
TGH has the number 1 bib and is "in the form of his life" according to G
Or will be a case of "the road decides"?Warning No formatter is installed for the format1 -
TGH if he can avoid any bad days. It’s contract year, he’ll want to podium!0
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How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?rick_chasey said:Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?
I cannot recall. That will be key.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Great to see TGH on really good form, but I struggle to see him beating Rog and Remco in their current form - I hope to be wrong though, and I'd like to think there would at least be a decent GC battle.
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No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.pblakeney said:
How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?rick_chasey said:Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?
I cannot recall. That will be key.0 -
So we have Remco and Roglic as favourites, TGH and Thomas as podium contenders and then any of the below as wildcards to be up there?
Almeida / Carthy / Vine / Vlasov / Haig
Anyone I'm missing? Seems pretty thin. Hoping at least it's an all-out fight for stages to provide the entertainment, lots of good stage hunters on the start line and not sure either Quickstep or Jumbo are strong enough to control the whole race.
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Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.1
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Thomas is an interesting one to watch - I know he's getting on for a cyclist but he's had so much misfortune in grand tours that, his 1 TdF win aside, his record probably doesn't do justice to his good he was. 3rd in the Tour last year, if he has had a good preparation for this Giro it's possible he could make it a 3 horse race
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Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.rick_chasey said:
No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.pblakeney said:
How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?rick_chasey said:Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?
I cannot recall. That will be key.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Is he going to crash into a field containing three horses?DeVlaeminck said:Thomas is an interesting one to watch - I know he's getting on for a cyclist but he's had so much misfortune in grand tours that, his 1 TdF win aside, his record probably doesn't do justice to his good he was. 3rd in the Tour last year, if he has had a good preparation for this Giro it's possible he could make it a 3 horse race
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A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.rick_chasey said:Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.
We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can
I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.
Its down to who can follow
Anyone can crack in the third ...."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Remco did OK at Sierra Nevada in the Vuelta, and matched Rog in the Volta Catalunya which had some relatively high MTFs0
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I get the feeling roglic is slightly past his past ..remco is still imptoving and TGH is as good as he ever will be .
Hugh almeida and vine are wild cards for a podium . Haig just can't see it
Caruso .....delusional old man energy ... Is he going?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
G may come good and surprise ...but he is looking tired"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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The Giro is different gravy though. The climb to Pico Veleta, for instance, is just long and steady at around 6%. Contrast that to the Tre Cime stage where the Giau is barely below 10% all the way and the finale up Tre Cime itself notorious. Add in that the Giro usually has some dodgy weather to contend with and Remco has to have a question mark against him, especially given how he fared in his last participation.pblakeney said:
Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.rick_chasey said:
No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.pblakeney said:
How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?rick_chasey said:Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?
I cannot recall. That will be key.
Given all the variables involved it's probably the least predictable of the GTs.0 -
Agreed. Anyone wanting to beat Remco has to commit 100% to attack on days like the Tre Cime stage, or give up hope.phreak said:
The Giro is different gravy though. The climb to Pico Veleta, for instance, is just long and steady at around 6%. Contrast that to the Tre Cime stage where the Giau is barely below 10% all the way and the finale up Tre Cime itself notorious. Add in that the Giro usually has some dodgy weather to contend with and Remco has to have a question mark against him, especially given how he fared in his last participation.pblakeney said:
Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.rick_chasey said:
No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.pblakeney said:
How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?rick_chasey said:Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?
I cannot recall. That will be key.
Given all the variables involved it's probably the least predictable of the GTs.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The Sky train has been consigned to history.mididoctors said:
A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.rick_chasey said:Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.
We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can
I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.
Its down to who can follow
Anyone can crack in the third ....
The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Especially as there's a pretty good chance that Remco will have no team to help him by the time they get to Cortina that day. That said, the weather always plays a part so it's never guaranteed that the parcours as it is today will be what they ride. The last time they rode the Giau the stage was massively shortened due to weather.pblakeney said:
Agreed. Anyone wanting to beat Remco has to commit 100% to attack on days like the Tre Cime stage, or give up hope.phreak said:
The Giro is different gravy though. The climb to Pico Veleta, for instance, is just long and steady at around 6%. Contrast that to the Tre Cime stage where the Giau is barely below 10% all the way and the finale up Tre Cime itself notorious. Add in that the Giro usually has some dodgy weather to contend with and Remco has to have a question mark against him, especially given how he fared in his last participation.pblakeney said:
Going by Wiki he performed roughly on par with the other contenders and won it with the TT time difference. Means he will be a genuine contender but not guaranteed.rick_chasey said:
No idea, I don't usually watch the Vuelta.pblakeney said:
How does Evenepoel perform in the high mountains?rick_chasey said:Does the forum think he has it in him to best evenepoel?
I cannot recall. That will be key.
Given all the variables involved it's probably the least predictable of the GTs.0 -
Remco looked very impressive on the long climbs in the vuelta. I think he got a reality check in Catalunya, but still looked like he's learnt a lot since his last go in the giro.0
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There was a bit of a train in the Tour of the Alpspblakeney said:
The Sky train has been consigned to history.mididoctors said:
A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.rick_chasey said:Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.
We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can
I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.
Its down to who can follow
Anyone can crack in the third ....
The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.0 -
I don't think his last Giro is any kind of barometer, given he was a) 2 years younger then and b) coming back off a very serious injury and it was his first race backkingstongraham said:Remco looked very impressive on the long climbs in the vuelta. I think he got a reality check in Catalunya, but still looked like he's learnt a lot since his last go in the giro.
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I would agree butpblakeney said:
The Sky train has been consigned to history.mididoctors said:
A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.rick_chasey said:Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.
We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can
I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.
Its down to who can follow
Anyone can crack in the third ....
The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.
Go tell ineos that
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Probably more to do with the competition. Jumbo have been blowing up the Ineos train when it matters.takethehighroad said:
There was a bit of a train in the Tour of the Alpspblakeney said:
The Sky train has been consigned to history.mididoctors said:
A sky train with a hilltop sprint suits him fine.rick_chasey said:Roglic is severely hampered by a sub-standard support team as a result of covid. Wouldn't under-estimate, especially given how he likes to race.
We got a gaggle of riders with a decent mountain top sprint ... I am hoping TGH can hang on to the pair cos he has a fighting chance if he can
I.think.remco is going to ignite the stages further out and spoil that plan.
Its down to who can follow
Anyone can crack in the third ....
The main train has been Jumbo for the past few years.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
He lost time in both Vuelta stages at high altitude and they were longer TT style climbs rather than Giro steepness.kingstongraham said:Remco looked very impressive on the long climbs in the vuelta. I think he got a reality check in Catalunya, but still looked like he's learnt a lot since his last go in the giro.
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