Sagan retires

ddraver
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edited January 2023 in Pro race
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No offence to Dan, but I think this merits its own thread.

The Colossus of the 2010s is retiring. Somehow he has won everything while still being the ultimate eternal second.

(I think one or two journos had a soft spot for him too. They hid it well tho... 😶)
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,205
    The same 'retirement' as few others......going to do something else.....aka switching disciplines....
    Rossi 'retired' from MotoGP, but is now a Factory GT driver for BMW.......
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    probably a good thing, he seems to have lost his mojo. Relatively short career, at the time I thought he would win buckets of cobbled races, whereas in the end he didn’t win very many
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    The 3 world championships is what stands out for me. As Ugo says his classics record is disappointing for someone who looked to have the tools to win far more MSR, Flanders and PRs than the two he did. Was it bad luck, tactical failings, illness and injury, poor team choice ?
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  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,067
    Didn't he become a "marked man" after his Worlds success at Richmond?
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

    Didn't he become a "marked man" after his Worlds success at Richmond?

    wasn’t Boonen a marked man?

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    DeVlaeminck said:

    The 3 world championships is what stands out for me. As Ugo says his classics record is disappointing for someone who looked to have the tools to win far more MSR, Flanders and PRs than the two he did. Was it bad luck, tactical failings, illness and injury, poor team choice ?

    His Flanders win was very good .

    His sprint behaviour was a bit off at times.

    Overall very entertaining

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    3 world champs with Slovakia as his team.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    kingstongraham said:

    3 world champs with Slovakia as his team.

    yeah, certainly his finest hours… otherwise, underachive for his talent. Might have suffered from the arrival of Van Aert and VdP who stole the show a bit…

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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    kingstongraham said:

    I guess it's a measure of him that 7 green jerseys, 3 world champs and two monuments is still considered an underachievement.

    I guess many expected him to win PR three or four times… at one point he was so dominant
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    He's a great (/bad) warning for what COVID can do to a person...





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  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 943
    N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

    Didn't he become a "marked man" after his Worlds success at Richmond?

    Agree, I think him riding in teams where there wasn't a credible plan B probably stunted his classics record. There'll be more successful classics riders who'll have earned much less than him though.
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    When you compare his palmares to Edvald Boasson-Hagen, who was a similar rider in many ways, then Sagan has done pretty well.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    He was so dominant in the first half of his career, the second part feels a bit of a let down, which is maybe unfair. If it was the other way around we'd be waxing lyrical.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    It might be that his personal life got in the way of his career. Did he not get married and divorced a couple of years later?
    Also, some riders do not have a lot of discipline and Sagan does not come across as the most disciplined guy out there. Once you earn millions, it is easy to be distracted
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited January 2023
    kingstongraham said:

    I guess it's a measure of him that 7 green jerseys, 3 world champs and two monuments is still considered an underachievement.

    I think it's just the monuments that is seen as an underachivement - the same number of wins as Terpstra and Devolder. Two wins from 17 top tens. By contrast Boonen and Cancellara won 7 each from 21 and 20 top tens respectively.

    There's a sense, for me at least, that Van Aert may be going the same way (1 win, 5 podiums, 10 top tens). He doesn't get to go under the radar at the World's either. But this thread is not about WVA.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    edited January 2023
    Flip me I forgot quite how much Cav should have won in Doha tho...

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    ddraver said:

    Flip me I forgot quite how much Cav should have won in Doha tho...


    If he'd followed Adam Blythe he'd have won. But he chose to go another way and got blocked. If Blythe had been someone he'd had experience with and trust in....
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Italy led out Sagan perfectly.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    Cavendish is probably the weirdest rider in the current peloton to be thinking "he should have won more" about, but he really should have.

    Back to Sagan though, and there's definitely a recency bias in how he's seen - the last couple of years have felt pretty lean in comparison. I think it doesn't help either that the green jerseys often felt inevitable - I can't have been the only person to gently mock it as the Peter Sagan jersey for the most Peter Saganny rider. Was it 2020 against Bennett that became quite amusing for a few stages as he increasingly desperately tried to shed him?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited January 2023
    Ultimately it's the 3 World Championships that mark him out for unquestioned greatness. The Green Jerseys are hard to assess as, like Zabel, he wasn't the sprinter of his era. I think it's been diminshed, but that's not his fault.
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,127
    Like others he have said he went off the boil pretty soon after his 3 world champion jerseys. I guess we all expected a lot more.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    edited January 2023
    Getting divorced (which is truly tough and not measurable in how much it affects you), as well as getting Covid 3 times which cost him 2 years while still in his prime in which time WVA and MvdP truly arrived, did him in.

    Still, a very special career and a rider with remarkable talent. Maybe the best bike handling ever along with MvdP?
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  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 943
    Wonder if he'll reflect on his career and think: I was almost as successful as Oscar Freire?
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    He'd have looked even better if Kwiatkowski had gone straight to Sky rather than OPQS...
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,127
    Would anyone trade a World Championship victory for another monument?
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    davidof said:

    Would anyone trade a World Championship victory for another monument?

    I guess it depends… if you are born in Oudenaarde, the Ronde might have some special value… otherwise the World is better because of the name and the jersey… allegedly all the best riders are there, whereas there is a restricted pool of favourites at the Classics

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  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    wakemalcolm said:

    Wonder if he'll reflect on his career and think: I was almost as successful as Oscar Freire?

    That's a bit unfair. Sagan wouldn't have been "almost as successful" as Freire had he "almost had" the oportunism/race nous of Freire. He would have totally ruled the past decade.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    At his best, he made the sport tremendous fun to watch.

    I hope he gets a big win this year to sign off on
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    edited January 2023
    Also on the cv are 12 TDF stage wins.

    More than any active rider (apart from Cavendish) and in the top 20

    12 is a decent club to be in




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