The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Was just coming on to post the same.
If this reduces collisions, and thus insurance claims and indirectly costs, surely it's a pro-motorist policy.
Everyone's a winner.
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War on Welsh motorists. it's because no-one drives anymore as it takes too long etc. etc.
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Sounds like a win
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Not if you've got a car you want to hear go brrmm brrmm though
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No problem Rick, I have no plans to visit Wales in the foreseeable future so if some car hating leftie politicians politicians want to make motoring life slow and frustrating for a bunch of largely Labour and Plaid voters, then that's fine with me 🙂
Also not sure how you square this with you owning a 'performance' hatchback?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
lol .I don’t find it very hard to drive 20 - it’s all 20 around where I live and the golf turns off various cylinders when you’re pootling.
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I haven't fully investigated this, but I'm pretty sure you can still drive at 20mph in cars that go faster. I think most of them have some kind of speed adjusting pedal, possible even 2 of them.
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I think that's worth a centre leftie smartarse award.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If speed limits are the only factor, why stop at 20? Why not cut the limit to 5?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ask a stupid question...
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So why not?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I was responding to your previous post.
If speed is the only criteria, why not remove speed limits altogether?
As you are entirely aware, 20mph is the point at which the severity of injuries drops off dramatically, it has been posted in response to your same question many times.
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Only if you hit someone. The best approach is not to do that.
So you think the limit should be 20mph everywhere then? If not, why not?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yes, 15 for Merc drivers
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20mph everywhere in built up areas unless there is infrastructure to separate the motor vehicles from everyone else. For instance you could still whiz into Birmingham on the Aston Expressway at 50 mph, but once you leave it you are restricted to 20.
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"Everyone should just stop making mistakes, then we wouldn't need speed limits"
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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You can tell the 20mph has been successful in Wales as one of the Welsh Conservatives main manifesto pledges is to offer locals a chance to get them scrapped. Why not break anything that isn't already broken?
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Its about where 20mph may be appropriate and as I've said before there are limited circumstances where it is. However Welsh Labour's imposition of 20mph wherever it was previously 30 mph shows at best a lack of planning and consideration.
I would suggest that people who feel that have to drive at 20mph to be 'safe' should consider taking the bus instead.
Still, its happened in Wales so I DGAF 😊
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Another massive contribution to the debate, well done 😄
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Does that include AMGs?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Simply not needed unless you are such a crap driver that you need to drive that slowly to be safe.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Don't just need 20mph limits, we need cameras everywhere too.
And bollards.
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Best cut the limit to 5 then as people still make mistakes at 20mph. You can't be too careful. In fact, they had better ban cars altogether as if nobody drives one there wont be any car accidents 😊
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They haven't imposed it everywhere it used to be 30 though. All local Councils were able to apply for exemptions for roads where they felt 20mph wasn't appropriate. The section of road behind my garden is 30mph. It has left an odd situation where in the space of 2.5 miles the speed limit changes from 20 to 30 to 20 to 40 to 20 to 40 and back to 20 which is crazy. For me the section behind my house should just be 20, there's not much difference in character to the 20mph areas either side. The section that is then 20-40-20 should probably just all be 30 as it is semi-rural with a few isolated houses (they're a bit more closely packed in the 20 area). It was previously all 40mph on that stretch.
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As has already been pointed out before, the 20 mph limit was not chosen arbitarily, over 20 mph the chances of serious injury or death climb steeply. It is not about preventing mistakes, that is impossible, just to mitigate the effect of the mistake.
Would you rather be hit by a car at 30 mph or 20 mph?
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Would like to point out the average speed on urban roads in the UK in 2022 was 17 mph. You're really not saving any time whatsoever going 30.
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Yes, especially if the driver is getting a bit older and reactions are getting a bit slower 😉
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Now I'm curious. Which drivers are getting younger? 😉
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I rather enjoy travelling at c. 20mph on the main central streets in town, there is the generic 30 limit throughout, especially if there is some knobend in a SUV or Mercedes or similar tailgating me.
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