British Olympic cyclist arrested on suspicion of rape and indecent assault

MattFalle

sorry, I folliw the first part of the post but not the seconf.

you want anonymity but?

pblakeney

carbonclem said:

MattFalle said:

carbonclem said:

carbonclem said:

Pross said:

The Mail: “We know the identity but won’t give the name. However, here’s a load of clues to allow you to speculate”.

Why report it at all before someone is charged?

Isn’t there some merit in identifying people where other victims may feel empowered to come forward if they feel they aren’t alone? Similar to Saville (in principle).
I guess it depends if it’s thought it’s an isolated incident or may be a pattern.

I was ahead of myself here. I just read again and he’s not yet charged. Fair enough.

given the type of alleged crime, would you be happy to be named if you were innocent, got charged but at the end of the were found not guilty?

I wouldn’t want the publicity of any crime I was charged with , but generally, you don’t enjoy the privilege of anonymity in the situation, do you?

Yes. You do.
Just one example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-63907597

norvernrob

RichN95. said:

Reading between the lines it would seem to be someone relatively obscure

Could be total nonsense obviously, but when the story first broke, one of the first comments I saw on one of the FB cycling pages was someone saying the guy is now 73 years old .

carbonclem

pblakeney said:

carbonclem said:

MattFalle said:

carbonclem said:

carbonclem said:

Pross said:

The Mail: “We know the identity but won’t give the name. However, here’s a load of clues to allow you to speculate”.

Why report it at all before someone is charged?

Isn’t there some merit in identifying people where other victims may feel empowered to come forward if they feel they aren’t alone? Similar to Saville (in principle).
I guess it depends if it’s thought it’s an isolated incident or may be a pattern.

I was ahead of myself here. I just read again and he’s not yet charged. Fair enough.

given the type of alleged crime, would you be happy to be named if you were innocent, got charged but at the end of the were found not guilty?

I wouldn’t want the publicity of any crime I was charged with , but generally, you don’t enjoy the privilege of anonymity in the situation, do you?

Yes. You do.
Just one example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-63907597

I'm not sure what your'e point is. Anonymity can be granted where circumstances protect victims, or the case itself, but the default setting is that names are in the public domain.
I've no idea on the case you quoted.

carbonclem

MattFalle said:

sorry, I folliw the first part of the post but not the seconf.

you want anonymity but?

but , its not a given.

pblakeney

carbonclem said:

pblakeney said:

carbonclem said:

MattFalle said:

carbonclem said:

carbonclem said:

Pross said:

The Mail: “We know the identity but won’t give the name. However, here’s a load of clues to allow you to speculate”.

Why report it at all before someone is charged?

Isn’t there some merit in identifying people where other victims may feel empowered to come forward if they feel they aren’t alone? Similar to Saville (in principle).
I guess it depends if it’s thought it’s an isolated incident or may be a pattern.

I was ahead of myself here. I just read again and he’s not yet charged. Fair enough.

given the type of alleged crime, would you be happy to be named if you were innocent, got charged but at the end of the were found not guilty?

I wouldn’t want the publicity of any crime I was charged with , but generally, you don’t enjoy the privilege of anonymity in the situation, do you?

Yes. You do.
Just one example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-63907597

I'm not sure what your'e point is. Anonymity can be granted where circumstances protect victims, or the case itself, but the default setting is that names are in the public domain.
I've no idea on the case you quoted.

The guy being charged wasn't named.
Quite common in most cases.

carbonclem

pblakeney said:

carbonclem said:

pblakeney said:

carbonclem said:

MattFalle said:

carbonclem said:

carbonclem said:

Pross said:

The Mail: “We know the identity but won’t give the name. However, here’s a load of clues to allow you to speculate”.

Why report it at all before someone is charged?

Isn’t there some merit in identifying people where other victims may feel empowered to come forward if they feel they aren’t alone? Similar to Saville (in principle).
I guess it depends if it’s thought it’s an isolated incident or may be a pattern.

I was ahead of myself here. I just read again and he’s not yet charged. Fair enough.

given the type of alleged crime, would you be happy to be named if you were innocent, got charged but at the end of the were found not guilty?

I wouldn’t want the publicity of any crime I was charged with , but generally, you don’t enjoy the privilege of anonymity in the situation, do you?

Yes. You do.
Just one example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-63907597

I'm not sure what your'e point is. Anonymity can be granted where circumstances protect victims, or the case itself, but the default setting is that names are in the public domain.
I've no idea on the case you quoted.

The guy being charged wasn't named.
Quite common in most cases.

Its the exception rather than the rule.

pblakeney

carbonclem said:

pblakeney said:

carbonclem said:

pblakeney said:

carbonclem said:

MattFalle said:

carbonclem said:

carbonclem said:

Pross said:

The Mail: “We know the identity but won’t give the name. However, here’s a load of clues to allow you to speculate”.

Why report it at all before someone is charged?

Isn’t there some merit in identifying people where other victims may feel empowered to come forward if they feel they aren’t alone? Similar to Saville (in principle).
I guess it depends if it’s thought it’s an isolated incident or may be a pattern.

I was ahead of myself here. I just read again and he’s not yet charged. Fair enough.

given the type of alleged crime, would you be happy to be named if you were innocent, got charged but at the end of the were found not guilty?

I wouldn’t want the publicity of any crime I was charged with , but generally, you don’t enjoy the privilege of anonymity in the situation, do you?

Yes. You do.
Just one example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-63907597

I'm not sure what your'e point is. Anonymity can be granted where circumstances protect victims, or the case itself, but the default setting is that names are in the public domain.
I've no idea on the case you quoted.

The guy being charged wasn't named.
Quite common in most cases.

Its the exception rather than the rule.

Ah well. I believe in innocent until proven guilty.
Unfortunately others believe no smoke without fire. I'll leave it at that.

davidof

norvernrob said:

RichN95. said:

Reading between the lines it would seem to be someone relatively obscure

Could be total nonsense obviously, but when the story first broke, one of the first comments I saw on one of the FB cycling pages was someone saying the guy is now 73 years old .

327 to filter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Olympic_cyclists_of_Great_Britain

wakemalcolm

This needs to stop: I managed to get it down to 1 using norvernrob's clue that hasn't been verified.
I asked the admins to take down his post but they've not done anything.

orraloon

There are no admins, just some bots activated by flags. It's the modern world innit.

pangolin

wakemalcolm said:

This needs to stop: I managed to get it down to 1 using norvernrob's clue that hasn't been verified.
I asked the admins to take down his post but they've not done anything.

You are more than welcome to not follow up on random "I heard from a guy on a forum who said he heard on facebook..." rumours. In fact I recommend it.

MattFalle

pangolin said:

wakemalcolm said:

This needs to stop: I managed to get it down to 1 using norvernrob's clue that hasn't been verified.
I asked the admins to take down his post but they've not done anything.

You are more than welcome to not follow up on random "I heard from a guy on a forum who said he heard on facebook..." rumours. In fact I recommend it.

tbh its very fuckingsad that he went searching.

DeVlaeminck

Yeah we shouldn't speculate

gethinceri

Yep.
“Now that I’ve found out who I think it is based on pointers in this thread the thread should be removed, it’s a scandal!” Tube.

MattFalle

gethinceri said:

Yep.
“Now that I’ve spent hours scouring round the internet in a desperate search to try and find out who may or have not been accused of bring a rapist and then posted about him I've come across some random bloke and in a sense of glee posted about it based on a random statement in a random thread on a random internet forum the thread should be removed, it’s a scandal! but at least I have some gossip for the club run" Tube.

FTFY