New Swift Smart Trainer - bit of a bargain?

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  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    My biggest concern with it at the moment is if they decide to require a Zwift subscription in the future. If you subscribe to zwift and need a new trainer then it's probably a no brainer.
  • hpaul
    hpaul Posts: 114
    It's interesting alright. I was hoping to get a decent price for my kickr core and buy a new wattbike, but I doubt that now. Perhaps it will be good for the market. Bring the cost of trainers and smart bikes down, time will tell....
  • ibr17xvii
    ibr17xvii Posts: 1,065
    DCR seems to hint at accuracy problems in his video.

    He does caveat that by saying it should be sorted out with firmware updates.
  • andyrr
    andyrr Posts: 1,822
    A Jet black Volt with preinstalled cassette of your choice plus some other little bits- seems a very good deal for entry level dd trainer.
  • me-109
    me-109 Posts: 1,915
    Fixed cassette ratios depending on number of speeds, like 11s 11-28. Guess you can always sell
    the cassette if not to your taste.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    It looks like a crazy good deal.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,087
    edited September 2022
    Isn't it just this with a Zwift badge at the same price.

    https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/jet-black/volt-ems-smart-cycle-trainer-702834?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=Kelkoo UK&utm_content=15&utm_term=3642857&ranMID=45658&ranEAID=Sl5uPV1NkiY&ranSiteID=Sl5uPV1NkiY-vdMpBRMar.Gc_KO8lY9WHw#colcode=70283403
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    It's 10% cheaper, but that looks a decent deal too.
  • andyrr
    andyrr Posts: 1,822
    pblakeney said:

    It's just this with a Zwift badge.

    https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/jet-black/volt-ems-smart-cycle-trainer-702834?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=Kelkoo UK&utm_content=15&utm_term=3642857&ranMID=45658&ranEAID=Sl5uPV1NkiY&ranSiteID=Sl5uPV1NkiY-vdMpBRMar.Gc_KO8lY9WHw#colcode=70283403

    Y, they’ve been transparent that it is a Volt with some changes which externally I think include greater bike compatibility plus some internal ones too?
    As it’s £50 less than the Volt and includes the cassette of your choice (although ratios themselves are set to 11-28 /11-30 for 12 speed).
    I still think it’s a darn good deal. Unless deals on other “better” ones appear soon I’m quite likely to plump for one soon to encourage consistent use over winter as I do want to have a better turbo setup than my current in-smart yet extremely well used Kurt Kinetic.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,087
    andyrr said:

    ... I’m quite likely to plump for one soon to encourage consistent use over winter as I do want to have a better turbo setup than my current in-smart yet extremely well used Kurt Kinetic.

    Having got a Neo 2T at the start of 2020 (my luckiest and best timed purchase) I can say that you won't regret it.
    Anyone want a well used dusty Kurt Kinetic? For a reasonable donation. 😉 Delivery is probably more than cost for these beasts.
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  • navrig2
    navrig2 Posts: 1,851
    DCR's latest review. Looks to be better value than other makes. It may force prices down?

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/10/zwift-hub-smart-trainer-in-depth-review-the-best-bang-for-your-buck.html
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,636
    Looks like a great deal and I would probably buy it if you were able to fold the legs and put it away when not in use.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    Went to buy one last night and all sold out for now.
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,217
    seanoconn said:

    Looks like a great deal and I would probably buy it if you were able to fold the legs and put it away when not in use.

    That was the main reason I went for a Suito, really useful feature for me.
  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,047
    When there were Saris H3s going new for under £450 recently, they are a no-brainer compared to a rebadged Jetblack Volt that's been around for several years, without being raved about.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    At a bit under £500, available now is Saris H3, Elite Suito-T, Tacx Flux-S.

    Do those beat the Zwift one for £450 including a cassette?
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,169
    kingstongraham said:

    Went to buy one last night and all sold out for now.

    I registered a pre-order a couple of weeks back, but was notified yesterday when they expected to open orders) that they’re sold out. more expected at end of the month.

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    edited October 2022
    N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

    When there were Saris H3s going new for under £450 recently, they are a no-brainer compared to a rebadged Jetblack Volt that's been around for several years, without being raved about.

    The Jetblack Volt got a good review from DC Rainmaker last year https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/07/jetblack-volt-smart-trainer-in-depth-review.html , at a price about 75% higher than the Zwift one is on sale now for. It's proper market disruption. The Jetblack is now on Amazon at £449 as well.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,087
    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    pblakeney said:

    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?

    Doesn't seem to be at this price.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,169
    pblakeney said:

    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?

    I’ve seen a lot of newish ones for sale, with sellers asking top £ . I’d want a big knock down for an out of warranty bit of electromechanical kit.
    Related, are there reliability issues with any particular models?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,087
    edited October 2022
    kingstongraham said:

    pblakeney said:

    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?

    Doesn't seem to be at this price.
    That was kinda my point. People who really wanted one have already got one.
    New buyers are being tempted at the new low cost point.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,087
    Mad_Malx said:

    pblakeney said:

    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?

    I’ve seen a lot of newish ones for sale, with sellers asking top £ . I’d want a big knock down for an out of warranty bit of electromechanical kit.
    Related, are there reliability issues with any particular models?
    They can ask, doesn't mean they'll get. Any item is only worth what it sells for.
    I should have sold my Rock n Roll 2 years ago. Near as dammit worthless now.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    pblakeney said:

    kingstongraham said:

    pblakeney said:

    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?

    Doesn't seem to be at this price.
    That was kinda my point. People who really wanted one have already got one.
    New buyers are being tempted at the new low cost point.
    I've got a wheel on trainer that I've been happy with for years, but at this price, I'll buy a direct drive one to replace it.

    The price changes demand.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,902
    pblakeney said:

    Mad_Malx said:

    pblakeney said:

    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?

    I’ve seen a lot of newish ones for sale, with sellers asking top £ . I’d want a big knock down for an out of warranty bit of electromechanical kit.
    Related, are there reliability issues with any particular models?
    They can ask, doesn't mean they'll get. Any item is only worth what it sells for.
    I should have sold my Rock n Roll 2 years ago. Near as dammit worthless now.
    Agreed - surely nobody's now paying more than about £250 second hand for any trainer that was selling for up to £1000 a couple of months ago.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,910
    Neo 1s are still changing hands for ~£400.
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  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,206
    daniel_b said:

    Neo 1s are still changing hands for ~£400.

    It's still a very good trainer and will outperform the cheaper direct drives like the Flux, Suito, and in many ways the new Zwift / Jetblack. Though you'd need balls to buy a 7 year old out of warranty bit of electronics.
    Albeit you can get a Neo2SE for £700 from Wiggle, which whilst not majorly upgraded, at least is new with the warranty that goes with that.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,054
    If you can get a cheap H3 I've had one for 2 years with no complaints.

    Only slight issue is if you are a sprinter it's supposedly good for measuring up to 2000 watts but mine won't register much over half that - but I've had the same issue with other turbos, and any power meter I've ever used.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,442
    DeVlaeminck said:

    If you can get a cheap H3 I've had one for 2 years with no complaints.

    Only slight issue is if you are a sprinter it's supposedly good for measuring up to 2000 watts but mine won't register much over half that - but I've had the same issue with other turbos, and any power meter I've ever used.

    Nothing to do with the power your legs are capable of putting out then? :D
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,442
    kingstongraham said:

    pblakeney said:

    kingstongraham said:

    pblakeney said:

    Is there not a case to be made that a whole load of trainers were bought during lockdowns so demand is now diminished?

    Doesn't seem to be at this price.
    That was kinda my point. People who really wanted one have already got one.
    New buyers are being tempted at the new low cost point.
    I've got a wheel on trainer that I've been happy with for years, but at this price, I'll buy a direct drive one to replace it.

    The price changes demand.
    Direct drive is a game changer KG.

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