Vuelta a Espana 2022 - Pre-race chat

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,224
    He broke his back 5 weeks ago - anyone betting on him at those odds is very optimistic.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,479

    He broke his back 5 weeks ago - anyone betting on him at those odds is very optimistic.

    Might have been a Contador break.
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,131

    As a former winner and seemingly in decent form, Yates at 12/1 seems good value. Guessing Roglic and Evenepoel will take time in the TTT on everyone else?

    He would, except for the fact that his last 4 GTs over the last two and a half seasons reads: DNF, 3rd, DNF, DNF......
    If that was horse racing form, you'd be wary of backing him. They've taken no chances with Evenepoel though - he's shorter than he probably should be, and shorter than GT winners. Last time over a 3 week trip, he was nowhere.....
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
    edited August 2022
    andyrac said:

    As a former winner and seemingly in decent form, Yates at 12/1 seems good value. Guessing Roglic and Evenepoel will take time in the TTT on everyone else?

    He would, except for the fact that his last 4 GTs over the last two and a half seasons reads: DNF, 3rd, DNF, DNF......
    If that was horse racing form, you'd be wary of backing him. They've taken no chances with Evenepoel though - he's shorter than he probably should be, and shorter than GT winners. Last time over a 3 week trip, he was nowhere.....

    From a breeding point of view I find Sivakov interesting. His sire was limited to the Group 4 Tour of Serbia but his mare won some big Group 1 races. Hasn't trained on after early promise, but a change of stable earlier in the year may pay off.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,339
    edited August 2022
    That is a horse prone to falling down. The chance of a broken leg is higher than a GT victory. 😉
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,099
    Groupama - FDJ for Vuelta a Espana: Thibaut Pinot, Fabian Lienhard, Jake Stewart, Bruno Armirail, Quentin Pacher, Miles Scotson, Rudy Molard and Sébastien Reichenbach.

    Pinot going for stages.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,099
    Astana
    Battistella, Samuele
    De La Cruz, David
    Fedorov, Yevgeniy
    Lopez, Miguel Angel
    Lutsenko, Alexey
    Nibali, Vincenzo
    Pronskiy, Vadim
    Tejada, Harold

    Team DSM
    Arensman, Thymen
    Arndt, Nikias
    Brenner, Marco
    Degenkolb, John
    Donovan, Mark
    Hvideberg, Jonas
    Nieuwenhuis, Joris
    Vandenabeele, Henri
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,224
    Am a bit surprised that Degenkolb is only 33.

    Then again, I suppose it doesn't seem right that Roglic is older than Quintana
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,589
    edited August 2022

    Am a bit surprised that Degenkolb is only 33.

    Was never the same rider after that horrific training accident where that Brit woman drive into the training group as she forgot which side of the road she was driving on.

    Lad was such a good rider. Almost Oscar Freire type in that he could just turn up to a monument without doing anything prior and go and win it.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,479
    Astana team looks good on paper.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,099
    Lotto Soudal for Vuelta a Espana: Thomas de Gendt, Cédric Beullens, Filippo Conca, Steff Cras, Jarrad Drizners, Kamil Malecki, Harry Sweeny and Maxim van Gils.

    Burgos - BH for Vuelta a Espana: Jetse Bol, Óscar Cabedo, José Manuel Díaz, Jesús Ezquerra, Ángel Madrazo, Daniel Navarro, Ander Okamika and Manuel Peñalver.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,099
    edited August 2022

    DeadCalm said:

    Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.

    How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...
    It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,224
    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.

    How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...
    It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!
    Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.

    Best thing for the race would be for Carapaz to be out of the GC picture early for some (benign) reason.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,738

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.

    How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...
    It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!
    Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.

    Best thing for the race would be for Carapaz to be out of the GC picture early for some (benign) reason.
    Could say the same for Roglic.
    Or, is that simply expected? 😉
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905
    Looking forward to see them tackle Pico Veleta on the 4th September, although shame they don't go all the way to the top :D
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
    edited August 2022



    Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.

    I was surprised to learn today that only Thomas, Rowe and Puccio have been at Ineos longer than him (continuously - Swift, Porte & Viviani left and came back)
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  • Pross said:

    Astana team looks good on paper.

    Had forgotten Astana were in the WT
  • Pross said:

    Astana team looks good on paper.

    Had forgotten Astana were in the WT
    So have they this year
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,479

    Pross said:

    Astana team looks good on paper.

    Had forgotten Astana were in the WT
    So have they this year
    That’s why I said it looks strong on paper. There is something seriously wrong with that team.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,339
    Well not getting paid usually doesn't increase morale. 😉
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 463
    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.

    How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...
    It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!
    Carapaz won’t win the GC so it would be a shame if they stifled the younger guys on the team to support him.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 463
    RichN95. said:



    Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.

    I was surprised to learn today that only Thomas, Rowe and Puccio have been at Ineos longer than him (continuously - Swift, Porte & Viviani left and came back)
    😯
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,804
    Yates is under rated even with the lack of steep stuff
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,804
    I don't see remco on the podium....
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,099

    I don't see remco on the podium....

    I don't either. It's worth noting though that, even though he seems to have been around for ages, I believe he'd still be just about eligible to ride this years Tour de l'Avenir.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
    His WT stage race results this seaon have been 4th, in Spain, but behind Martinez and Izagirre. The other two were 11th. Doesn't scream second favourite to me.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
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  • If we have a meaningful GC race after stage 1 I'll be happy.
    If we still have a meaningful GC race after stage 10 I'll be amazed.
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  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,628
    Pross said:

    Astana team looks good on paper.

    So do their contracts.....
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    edited August 2022
    All teams are now confirmed. Excuse me if I am wrong but I think these were the two we were waiting upon:
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    BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
    LANDA MEANA Mikel
    MÄDER Gino
    POELS Wouter
    SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon
    SÜTTERLIN Jasha
    WRIGHT Fred
    ZAMBANINI Edoardo

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    CAICEDO CEPEDA Jonathan Klever
    CARTHY Hugh
    CHAVES RUBIO Johan Esteban
    KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
    PADUN Mark
    SHAW James Callum
    URAN URAN Rigoberto
    VAN DEN BERG Julius
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