Vuelta a Espana 2022 - Pre-race chat
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He broke his back 5 weeks ago - anyone betting on him at those odds is very optimistic.0
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Might have been a Contador break.kingstongraham said:He broke his back 5 weeks ago - anyone betting on him at those odds is very optimistic.
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If that was horse racing form, you'd be wary of backing him. They've taken no chances with Evenepoel though - he's shorter than he probably should be, and shorter than GT winners. Last time over a 3 week trip, he was nowhere.....blazing_saddles said:
He would, except for the fact that his last 4 GTs over the last two and a half seasons reads: DNF, 3rd, DNF, DNF......commuterlegs said:As a former winner and seemingly in decent form, Yates at 12/1 seems good value. Guessing Roglic and Evenepoel will take time in the TTT on everyone else?
All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
andyrac said:
If that was horse racing form, you'd be wary of backing him. They've taken no chances with Evenepoel though - he's shorter than he probably should be, and shorter than GT winners. Last time over a 3 week trip, he was nowhere.....blazing_saddles said:
He would, except for the fact that his last 4 GTs over the last two and a half seasons reads: DNF, 3rd, DNF, DNF......commuterlegs said:As a former winner and seemingly in decent form, Yates at 12/1 seems good value. Guessing Roglic and Evenepoel will take time in the TTT on everyone else?
From a breeding point of view I find Sivakov interesting. His sire was limited to the Group 4 Tour of Serbia but his mare won some big Group 1 races. Hasn't trained on after early promise, but a change of stable earlier in the year may pay off.Twitter: @RichN951 -
That is a horse prone to falling down. The chance of a broken leg is higher than a GT victory. 😉PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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Groupama - FDJ for Vuelta a Espana: Thibaut Pinot, Fabian Lienhard, Jake Stewart, Bruno Armirail, Quentin Pacher, Miles Scotson, Rudy Molard and Sébastien Reichenbach.
Pinot going for stages.0 -
Astana
Battistella, Samuele
De La Cruz, David
Fedorov, Yevgeniy
Lopez, Miguel Angel
Lutsenko, Alexey
Nibali, Vincenzo
Pronskiy, Vadim
Tejada, Harold
Team DSM
Arensman, Thymen
Arndt, Nikias
Brenner, Marco
Degenkolb, John
Donovan, Mark
Hvideberg, Jonas
Nieuwenhuis, Joris
Vandenabeele, Henri0 -
Am a bit surprised that Degenkolb is only 33.
Then again, I suppose it doesn't seem right that Roglic is older than Quintana0 -
Was never the same rider after that horrific training accident where that Brit woman drive into the training group as she forgot which side of the road she was driving on.kingstongraham said:Am a bit surprised that Degenkolb is only 33.
Lad was such a good rider. Almost Oscar Freire type in that he could just turn up to a monument without doing anything prior and go and win it.0 -
Astana team looks good on paper.0
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Lotto Soudal for Vuelta a Espana: Thomas de Gendt, Cédric Beullens, Filippo Conca, Steff Cras, Jarrad Drizners, Kamil Malecki, Harry Sweeny and Maxim van Gils.
Burgos - BH for Vuelta a Espana: Jetse Bol, Óscar Cabedo, José Manuel Díaz, Jesús Ezquerra, Ángel Madrazo, Daniel Navarro, Ander Okamika and Manuel Peñalver.0 -
It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!kingstongraham said:
How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...DeadCalm said:Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.
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Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.DeadCalm said:
It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!kingstongraham said:
How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...DeadCalm said:Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.
Best thing for the race would be for Carapaz to be out of the GC picture early for some (benign) reason.1 -
Could say the same for Roglic.kingstongraham said:
Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.DeadCalm said:
It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!kingstongraham said:
How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...DeadCalm said:Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.
Best thing for the race would be for Carapaz to be out of the GC picture early for some (benign) reason.
Or, is that simply expected? 😉
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Looking forward to see them tackle Pico Veleta on the 4th September, although shame they don't go all the way to the top
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I was surprised to learn today that only Thomas, Rowe and Puccio have been at Ineos longer than him (continuously - Swift, Porte & Viviani left and came back)kingstongraham said:
Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.Twitter: @RichN951 -
Had forgotten Astana were in the WTPross said:Astana team looks good on paper.
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So have they this yearpoweredbyidris said:
Had forgotten Astana were in the WTPross said:Astana team looks good on paper.
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That’s why I said it looks strong on paper. There is something seriously wrong with that team.thejimmymethod said:
So have they this yearpoweredbyidris said:
Had forgotten Astana were in the WTPross said:Astana team looks good on paper.
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Well not getting paid usually doesn't increase morale. 😉PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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Carapaz won’t win the GC so it would be a shame if they stifled the younger guys on the team to support him.DeadCalm said:
It depends on the approach. I think that's potentially quite an exciting, young team. Lots of attack-minded riders, five of whom qualify for the white jersey competition. If they're all expected to sacrifice themselves for Carapaz though, yeah, meh!kingstongraham said:
How can a team that strong feel a bit meh? Two GT winners, two who've won a GC in the last couple of weeks, this year's PR winner and Spanish champion - and yet...DeadCalm said:Ineos: Richard Carapaz, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Ethan Hayter, Luke Plapp, Carlos Rodríguez, Pavel Sivakov, Ben Turner, Dylan van Baarle.
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😯RichN95. said:
I was surprised to learn today that only Thomas, Rowe and Puccio have been at Ineos longer than him (continuously - Swift, Porte & Viviani left and came back)kingstongraham said:
Yeah, Tao is the third oldest of the team.1 -
Yates is under rated even with the lack of steep stuff"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I don't see remco on the podium...."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I don't either. It's worth noting though that, even though he seems to have been around for ages, I believe he'd still be just about eligible to ride this years Tour de l'Avenir.mididoctors said:I don't see remco on the podium....
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If we have a meaningful GC race after stage 1 I'll be happy.
If we still have a meaningful GC race after stage 10 I'll be amazed.
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Cake is just weakness entering the body2 -
So do their contracts.....Pross said:Astana team looks good on paper.
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All teams are now confirmed. Excuse me if I am wrong but I think these were the two we were waiting upon:
Bahrain Victorious
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
LANDA MEANA Mikel
MÄDER Gino
POELS Wouter
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon
SÜTTERLIN Jasha
WRIGHT Fred
ZAMBANINI Edoardo
EF Education-Easypost
CAICEDO CEPEDA Jonathan Klever
CARTHY Hugh
CHAVES RUBIO Johan Esteban
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
PADUN Mark
SHAW James Callum
URAN URAN Rigoberto
VAN DEN BERG Julius
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1
