Is this the ultimate in utterly pointless bicycle innovation?

ugo.santalucia
ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
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Scope Atmoz... WHY, WHY on earth would anyone invest 4K Euros to fit that on a bike?

https://www.scopecycling.com/product/atmoz/
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  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,028
    edited July 2022
    Wasn't something like that trialled by some pro riders at PR this year?

    Bargain price... I'll take ten! :o:D
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
    it is, but in the end they didn't use it in the stage when it was supposed to be "useful"...
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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,613
    That's an expensive way of adding wheel weights. And congratulations on finding the most pointless cycling innovation.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
    there is also the ugly pipe that inevitably needs to connect the hub with the valve on the rim... a complete eye sore
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,006
    It does appear to be something of a niche product. There might be a market for it for some types of racing I suppose.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    tbh though, theres loadsofshit out there that people lap up - turbo specific clothing. turbo specific tyres. desks for your turbo to put your laptop on when zwifting. turbo specific fans to simulate headwind. chain lubes that instruct you to apply too much then wipe off the excess. massively overpriced cycling "specific" cleaning product.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
    edited July 2022
    I am struggling to see the point of this though... I assume if you have a puncture, it seals and you can restore the original pressure afterwards, assuming the fix can hold the original pressure without re-opening and spraying latex everywhere... I assume some folks might enjoy the idea of adapting the tyre pressure mid ride, for that particular bumpy lane... and then again to get more grip down that damp descent... but it really is a massive and heavily priced exercise in overthinking... I would be really surprised if they managed to sell 100 of them
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    oh they will sell, they will.

    expect an article on it in Cyclist mag soon the home of the widely accepted £260 bibshort.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • PMark
    PMark Posts: 160
    Assuming it will last a whole race, I would of thought something like that would be useful for Gravel racing. Or any kind of racing where you are not on a MTB and have variable terrain. But yeah, for most people on a road bike, it is probably pretty pointless.
  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    edited July 2022
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Scope Atmoz... WHY, WHY on earth would anyone invest 4K Euros to fit that on a bike?

    https://www.scopecycling.com/product/atmoz/

    I agree, ridiculous price and a product very few would ever consider.

    However, remember the marginal gains idea, well I remember seeing this device reviewed before the Paris roubaix and it allows the rider to change pressure on the move. So the rider could lower the pressure for the cobbled section, then reinflate for tarmac sections etc. So for teams and riders with paris roubaix ambitions, I can see them using it

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    only for tubeless (airtight) as well.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,613
    The tank/reservoir is quite small, so I'd imagine you couldn't refill many times. They never mention this.
    Let's hope the wireless signal is secure, or they'll be letting each other's tyres down.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
    redvision said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    Scope Atmoz... WHY, WHY on earth would anyone invest 4K Euros to fit that on a bike?

    https://www.scopecycling.com/product/atmoz/

    I agree, ridiculous price and a product very few would ever consider.

    However, remember the marginal gains idea, well I remember seeing this device reviewed before the Paris roubaix and it allows the rider to change pressure on the move. So the rider could lower the pressure for the cobbled section, then reinflate for tarmac sections etc. So for teams and riders with paris roubaix ambitions, I can see them using it

    How marginal is it? You won’t beat Van Aert by tweaking air pressure. Completely pointless to develop a product for one race in the calendar… Flemish pave’ doesn’t require any special tyre or pressure

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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,613
    Surely any marginal gains would be lost with hubs being 15cm diameter. Not very aero!
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,613
    I was being unfair 10-12cm in diameter.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
    Also worth considering that whilst you fiddle with the buttons to adjust the tyre pressure and try to get to the number you want on the display, you are likely to miss the break or hit some road furniture… clearly developed by engineers who have never raced
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited July 2022
    looking at stems and fiddlng with buttons whilst not looking at the road never hurt froome

    tbh, it'll probably have presets: scroll down using di2/etap/EPS buttons - preset 1: 80psi, preset 2: 100psi or whatever

    no different from Garmin fiddling

    bit of a dismissive statement there Ugo.....

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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,519
    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
    First.Aspect said:

    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.

    Wonder how air tight carbon fibre is… it must be to some extent, as they make planes…
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    First.Aspect said:

    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.

    yup - correct my friend. a bicycle version of the motorbike ScottOiler.

    those mad L shaped cranks as well from years ago

    That pressurised frame sounds mad.

    loads of random stuff.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    ugo.santalucia said:

    First.Aspect said:

    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.

    Wonder how air tight carbon fibre is… it must be to some extent, as they make planes…
    well it'll be pretty airtight due to all the resin holding it together.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,519
    ugo.santalucia said:

    First.Aspect said:

    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.

    Wonder how air tight carbon fibre is… it must be to some extent, as they make planes…
    Well, they've finally found the target market. Very, is the answer, but it has to get in, and therefore out, somewhere.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,613
    If someone invented a reservoir system for the pressurised frame, you could adjust the internal pressure whilst riding, making it more or less rigid.
    I never bought the idea of these independent crank arms. (Powercranks)

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,519
    The idea was to even out L-R and make both pedal actions more even. Because, as we all know, your hamstrings and hip flexors are capable of pulling up just as strongly as you can push down with your quads.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,302
    MattFalle said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    First.Aspect said:

    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.

    Wonder how air tight carbon fibre is… it must be to some extent, as they make planes…
    well it'll be pretty airtight due to all the resin holding it together.
    I was wondering how air tight the resin is, since other plastics are not … think about the reason they don’t bottle beer in plastic… they do bottle pops, but those are less sensitive to fizz loss… basically you don’t notice as much

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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    ugo.santalucia said:

    MattFalle said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    First.Aspect said:

    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.

    Wonder how air tight carbon fibre is… it must be to some extent, as they make planes…
    well it'll be pretty airtight due to all the resin holding it together.
    I was wondering how air tight the resin is, since other plastics are not … think about the reason they don’t bottle beer in plastic… they do bottle pops, but those are less sensitive to fizz loss… basically you don’t notice as much

    think that is one for material science radar than than this place where generally people can't even agree on what oil to put on their chain, what sponge to wash their bicycle with and whether they can ride their bicycles after both their legs have been blown off even though the Dr said no.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    but i'd hazard guess that fairly to pretty if you use the right stuff and know how to use it..
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,519
    ugo.santalucia said:

    MattFalle said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    First.Aspect said:

    There's a lot of competition out there for most pointless innovation. Wasn't there an automatic chain lube dispenser at one time?

    One of my favourites was a pressurised carbon frame. Not the one that acts as a reservoir for tubeless inflation. No, this one was to put all of the carbon in tension and make the frame stronger. But the consequences of a puncture were profound.

    Wonder how air tight carbon fibre is… it must be to some extent, as they make planes…
    well it'll be pretty airtight due to all the resin holding it together.
    I was wondering how air tight the resin is, since other plastics are not … think about the reason they don’t bottle beer in plastic… they do bottle pops, but those are less sensitive to fizz loss… basically you don’t notice as much

    Who knows. There would be bladders inside though I'd have thought. Didn't go anywhere because a frame you have to pressurise or it collapses in use is a stupid idea.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    what was that frame held together by wire?

    that wasn't very succesful either if i remembercrightly
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,519
    Yup. No down tube. Think it was more flexible than your cadex.

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