Why are new bikes so complicated?

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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:

    SRAM seem to be sticking with mechanical for the time being. And Campag as well. They will see a lift I should think, particularly SRAM because of the wheel compatability.

    Campagnolo are, but, and it is a big but, you need 12 speed for Chorus and above.
    Have you checked out the prices of 12 speed chains, cassettes and chainrings?
    I dare not.

    Perhaps there will be an aftermarket for the mechanical stuff. It will all be dropping out of patent, even the SRAM stuff.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    First.Aspect said:

    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:

    SRAM seem to be sticking with mechanical for the time being. And Campag as well. They will see a lift I should think, particularly SRAM because of the wheel compatability.

    Campagnolo are, but, and it is a big but, you need 12 speed for Chorus and above.
    Have you checked out the prices of 12 speed chains, cassettes and chainrings?
    I dare not.

    Perhaps there will be an aftermarket for the mechanical stuff. It will all be dropping out of patent, even the SRAM stuff.
    A huge market I dare say.
    Unless most persist on this stupid idea of "upgrading" every couple of years.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Well, tbh the likes of MicroShift and the Chinese fellas will jump on designs when it all comes out a patent but from what I've read MicroShift isn't too far off the mark at the mo' under their own steam.

    Rotor as well with their caliper/hydro systems.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Just go for Ultegra ;)
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    not taking the bait 😂😂😂
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:

    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:

    SRAM seem to be sticking with mechanical for the time being. And Campag as well. They will see a lift I should think, particularly SRAM because of the wheel compatability.

    Campagnolo are, but, and it is a big but, you need 12 speed for Chorus and above.
    Have you checked out the prices of 12 speed chains, cassettes and chainrings?
    I dare not.

    Perhaps there will be an aftermarket for the mechanical stuff. It will all be dropping out of patent, even the SRAM stuff.
    A huge market I dare say.
    Unless most persist on this stupid idea of "upgrading" every couple of years.
    I know, right? There are some guys I ride with who must have some interesting household budget discussions. Own brand dishwasher tablets for 10 years, vs. this year's Specialised colourway. I earn 3-5 times what some of them do and I don't think it's worth upgrading because it's too expensive.

    Buy once, buy well, ride it, replace the consumables.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    First.Aspect said:



    Buy once, buy well, ride it, replace the consumables.

    Just so everyone is clear on my position regarding this, 14 years old this year.
    That, and I still enjoy just looking at it while it is stripped down for it's winter overhaul. 😎


    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    I love the colour on that one. And the chrome. If only I'd kept that Marinoni I had....

    I have a 2005 Cannondale, a 2010 Lynskey (disc, sorry, but mechanical at least) and a 2015 Eriksen with Di2 but rim brakes. Oh and a 2018 Cervelo disc that rides a bit like a Roman chariot without any suspension whatsoever.

    I don't especially enjoy the disc brakes bikes, but they do the job. just love riding the other two, and replacement bits will exist for as long as I do.

    Do you think I should get an aero road bike and some aero kit. And if I do will it be less aero next year?
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    I have a second hand C59 with Ultegra (sorry MF) Di2 that I can't really see myself ever upgrading the frame.

    With two young children and diminshing fitness I keep thinking I should sell it, but I haven't looked after it well enough for it to be worth getting rid of.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    First.Aspect said:


    1. Do you think I should get an aero road bike and some aero kit.
    2. And if I do will it be less aero next year?

    1a. Do you race? Use the same answer.
    1b Do you average over 25mph? Use the same answer.
    2. Don't be silly. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    shirley_basso said:

    ... I keep thinking I should sell it, but I haven't looked after it well enough for it to be worth getting rid of.

    They are made to be ridden. Ernesto would be proud. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    You could always get a respray but as above they are meant to be ridden.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    I'll keep it until it breaks. So long as I can keep my own weight down, tyre clearances on 17mm internal width and 25mm tyres just about work and are comfy enough.

    Maybe a new paint job in a few years time when I can increase my mileage. I managed a total of 1500km last year!
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    And there's another not new new thing, wide tyres.

    I had a cross bike come with 28's and wide 29er rims over a decade ago. These days that's comfortable and aero.

    Felt like riding a balloon so I switched back to 25's and stuck with that ever since. Only, I don't pressurise them to the brink of exploding.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    I remember having 19mm tyres. 25mm are luxury. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    edited January 2022
    I tried 17s once, on a mate's bike. It felt like he'd just wrapped electrical tape round the rims.

    EDIT - they might have been 18s. Long time ago, back when my bike was better than your bike.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,866
    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:



    Buy once, buy well, ride it, replace the consumables.

    Just so everyone is clear on my position regarding this, 14 years old this year.
    That, and I still enjoy just looking at it while it is stripped down for it's winter overhaul. 😎


    And it can stand up all on it's own, what's not to like?
    Kinesis Pro6
    Marin Nail Trail
    Cotic Solaris
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    edited January 2022
    veronese68 said:

    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:



    Buy once, buy well, ride it, replace the consumables.

    Just so everyone is clear on my position regarding this, 14 years old this year.
    That, and I still enjoy just looking at it while it is stripped down for it's winter overhaul. 😎


    And it can stand up all on it's own, what's not to like?
    It could be leaning against a large window.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    Did you guys not learn how to stand a bike up using the pedal and kerb/stone as a kid?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,866
    pblakeney said:

    Did you guys not learn how to stand a bike up using the pedal and kerb/stone as a kid?

    Yes, and I can see the angle the cranks are at and the driveside pedal is on a rock, but that would stop me from making a smartarse comment so I ignored it 😛
    More importantly, you commented on the OCD bike pictures thread about NapD resurfacing then you post a picture taken from the NDS. Have you no respect 🙄
    Kinesis Pro6
    Marin Nail Trail
    Cotic Solaris
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    Zero respect for OCD from here I'm afraid.
    Except, I'm not afraid. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,711
    pblakeney said:

    Zero respect for OCD from here I'm afraid.
    Except, I'm not afraid. 😉

    Clearly, just look at the gear ratio when you took the photo…
    Open One+ BMC TE29 Seven 622SL On One Scandal Cervelo RS
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,866
    Wheelspinner said:

    pblakeney said:

    Zero respect for OCD from here I'm afraid.
    Except, I'm not afraid. 😉

    Clearly, just look at the gear ratio when you took the photo…
    Well he had just ridden up a hill and he's really old :D
    Kinesis Pro6
    Marin Nail Trail
    Cotic Solaris
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    Wheelspinner said:

    pblakeney said:

    Zero respect for OCD from here I'm afraid.
    Except, I'm not afraid. 😉

    Clearly, just look at the gear ratio when you took the photo…
    Summer lockdown freedom holiday in Perthshire. This is near the top of the climb out of Glen Quaich. 17.3% according to Strava. What gear ratio would you suggest? 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    pblakeney said:

    Wheelspinner said:

    pblakeney said:

    Zero respect for OCD from here I'm afraid.
    Except, I'm not afraid. 😉

    Clearly, just look at the gear ratio when you took the photo…
    Summer lockdown freedom holiday in Perthshire. This is near the top of the climb out of Glen Quaich. 17.3% according to Strava. What gear ratio would you suggest? 😉
    Didn't someone die coming down that a couple of years ago?

    It is one of the hardest climbs in Britain.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    pblakeney said:

    Wheelspinner said:

    pblakeney said:

    Zero respect for OCD from here I'm afraid.
    Except, I'm not afraid. 😉

    Clearly, just look at the gear ratio when you took the photo…
    Summer lockdown freedom holiday in Perthshire. This is near the top of the climb out of Glen Quaich. 17.3% according to Strava. What gear ratio would you suggest? 😉
    sur la plaque
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    MattFalle said:

    pblakeney said:

    Wheelspinner said:

    pblakeney said:

    Zero respect for OCD from here I'm afraid.
    Except, I'm not afraid. 😉

    Clearly, just look at the gear ratio when you took the photo…
    Summer lockdown freedom holiday in Perthshire. This is near the top of the climb out of Glen Quaich. 17.3% according to Strava. What gear ratio would you suggest? 😉
    sur la plaque
    I have fully considered your suggestion, and rejected it.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    a life lived in fear, etc etc.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.

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