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DIY advice: lining ceiling of turbo cave

joeyhalloranjoeyhalloran Posts: 1,064
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I have a turbo cave currently covered with exposed foil insulation. It's fine, and works but aesthetically it's a bit UFO conspiracy for me. I don't particularly want to go the whole hog to batten and dryline/plasterboard the ceiling so I was looking for some alternatives. One thing I was thinking is plain white breathable roofing liner that I could staple on to a handleful of battens on top of the foil. Any other alternatives?
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  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • photonic69photonic69 Posts: 2,220
    You could use Tyvex breathable membrane. It’s white so nice and airy. You can buy it by the meter from here otherwise you can only buy 50 or 100m rolls

    https://www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/tyvek-supro-breather-membrane-cut-to-length-1m-wide-price-per-metre.html

    I like the sound of the silver room though. Could make it look like you are exercising aboard the ISS !
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 13,730
    Last thing you need in a pain cave is insulation.
  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    MattFalle said:

    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?

    Maybe put some steps in to get down there? A window?

  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    or you could call it a garage.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?

    Maybe put some steps in to get down there? A window?

    this, exactly.

    its a cave so first thing I would do after what you have said is sort out any damp, lay proper flooring, safe 'leccy, etc.

    tbh, a cave is a pretty rubbish place to do this sort of thing - i'd probably choose a shed/garage/spare room myself.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?

    Maybe put some steps in to get down there? A window?

    this, exactly.

    its a cave so first thing I would do after what you have said is sort out any damp, lay proper flooring, safe 'leccy, etc.

    tbh, a cave is a pretty rubbish place to do this sort of thing - i'd probably choose a shed/garage/spare room myself.
    If it was a cave he would need to un some cable down there to run the turbo, i'm assuming it's a new fangled up to date gizmo.

    Could run a generator but without the window that would be a problem

  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    Not sure about wifi in a cave
  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    You'll probably struggle to get a big telly in a cave as well. Maybe best to go for a curved screen.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    he could make it like an Imax jobbie, projecting constant past re-runs of Lance winning his 7 Tours all around him..

    put a huge speaker or ten in there and the sound would go round the cave and out the door like a laser beam of Russian techno.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    tetley10 said:

    Not sure about wifi in a cave

    agree bit he could have dial up and a modem .
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    He would definitely need a sign above the cave entrance (door)

    Joey's Cave
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?

    Maybe put some steps in to get down there? A window?

    this, exactly.

    its a cave so first thing I would do after what you have said is sort out any damp, lay proper flooring, safe 'leccy, etc.

    tbh, a cave is a pretty rubbish place to do this sort of thing - i'd probably choose a shed/garage/spare room myself.
    If it was a cave he would need to un some cable down there to run the turbo, i'm assuming it's a new fangled up to date gizmo.

    Could run a generator but without the window that would be a problem

    i suppose he could park a car in there and run it off the battery.

    #options
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?

    Maybe put some steps in to get down there? A window?

    this, exactly.

    its a cave so first thing I would do after what you have said is sort out any damp, lay proper flooring, safe 'leccy, etc.

    tbh, a cave is a pretty rubbish place to do this sort of thing - i'd probably choose a shed/garage/spare room myself.
    If it was a cave he would need to un some cable down there to run the turbo, i'm assuming it's a new fangled up to date gizmo.

    Could run a generator but without the window that would be a problem

    i suppose he could park a car in there and run it off the battery.

    #options
    If he does that he is definitely going to need a window, especially as he will be putting in the big efforts on the Turbo. #ventilation

  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    overall though, probs much better to have his turbo in some part of his house i reckon. less chance of bats/tigers/pirates hiding in there as well.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Just make sure to cover those distracting paintings of bison being hunted.
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  • joeyhalloranjoeyhalloran Posts: 1,064
    photonic69 said:

    You could use Tyvex breathable membrane. It’s white so nice and airy. You can buy it by the meter from here otherwise you can only buy 50 or 100m rolls

    https://www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/tyvek-supro-breather-membrane-cut-to-length-1m-wide-price-per-metre.html

    I like the sound of the silver room though. Could make it look like you are exercising aboard the ISS !



    This is the sort of thing I was thinking, buying it by the meter also makes it a bit cheaper as I don't need a huge amount. Have you used it before? Has it got any stretch in it so I could get it taught across the battens?
  • photonic69photonic69 Posts: 2,220
    joeyhalloran said:

    photonic69 said:

    You could use Tyvex breathable membrane. It’s white so nice and airy. You can buy it by the meter from here otherwise you can only buy 50 or 100m rolls

    https://www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/tyvek-supro-breather-membrane-cut-to-length-1m-wide-price-per-metre.html

    I like the sound of the silver room though. Could make it look like you are exercising aboard the ISS !



    This is the sort of thing I was thinking, buying it by the meter also makes it a bit cheaper as I don't need a huge amount. Have you used it before? Has it got any stretch in it so I could get it taught across the battens?
    It has no stretch as it is quite dimensionally rigid being a spun polyester type fabric. We have it under our roof tiles. You'll probably get some 'sag' between battens but that depends on the spacing. It would be easier to handle with another pair of hands to do the overhead work.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Ben6899 said:

    Just make sure to cover those distracting paintings of bison being hunted.

    just paint over them. gloss of hammerite will do the job.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • johngtijohngti Posts: 2,483
    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?

    Maybe put some steps in to get down there? A window?

    this, exactly.

    its a cave so first thing I would do after what you have said is sort out any damp, lay proper flooring, safe 'leccy, etc.

    tbh, a cave is a pretty rubbish place to do this sort of thing - i'd probably choose a shed/garage/spare room myself.
    If it was a cave he would need to un some cable down there to run the turbo, i'm assuming it's a new fangled up to date gizmo.

    Could run a generator but without the window that would be a problem

    i suppose he could park a car in there and run it off the battery.

    #options
    Solar panels outside, big cable run through the roof, battery pack running, feed into the grid and get paid to suffer in the pain cave. Simples.
  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    Must be an upmarket cave if it has battens. #poshcave
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 11,423
    edited November 2021
    photonic69 said:

    You could use Tyvex breathable membrane. It’s white so nice and airy. You can buy it by the meter from here otherwise you can only buy 50 or 100m rolls

    https://www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/tyvek-supro-breather-membrane-cut-to-length-1m-wide-price-per-metre.html

    I like the sound of the silver room though. Could make it look like you are exercising aboard the ISS !

    Interesting, that won't work for my garage as I use the space up in the roof for storage, but it could be useful in our loft to secure onto the rafters, as it did tend to get a bit moist (ooo err) up there.

    Having said that, we have just established that the cowboy who fitted the previous extractor decided to 'vent' it down into the soffit, but couldn't be @rsed to actually cut the soffit or fit a vent.

    They'd also used a ton of flexible pipe which they hadn't bothered to cut down at all, and had mounted the fan near the loft hatch for their ease of access, but this also elongated the run required.

    We've now installed a new fan with solid pipe, with a vent actually over the shower, and cut the soffit at the front and even fitted a vent in it, so this may now eradicate the loft moistness, but I wonder if not completely, whether the membrane you have posted above might help, or is it simply to reduce dust and what have you in the loft space?

    My last house had, seemingly, a black version of this stuff stapled across the rafters, and it was definitely significantly cleaner and less dusty than our current place - both 30's houses.
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  • joeyhalloranjoeyhalloran Posts: 1,064
    daniel_b said:

    photonic69 said:

    You could use Tyvex breathable membrane. It’s white so nice and airy. You can buy it by the meter from here otherwise you can only buy 50 or 100m rolls

    https://www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/tyvek-supro-breather-membrane-cut-to-length-1m-wide-price-per-metre.html

    I like the sound of the silver room though. Could make it look like you are exercising aboard the ISS !

    Interesting, that won't work for my garage as I use the space up in the roof for storage, but it could be useful in our loft to secure onto the rafters, as it did tend to get a bit moist (ooo err) up there.

    Having said that, we have just established that the cowboy who fitted the previous extractor decided to 'vent' it down into the soffit, but couldn't be @rsed to actually cut the soffit or fit a vent.

    They'd also used a ton of flexible pipe which they hadn't bothered to cut down at all, and had mounted the fan near the loft hatch for their ease of access, but this also elongated the run required.

    We've now installed a new fan with solid pipe, with a vent actually over the shower, and cut the soffit at the front and even fitted a vent in it, so this may now eradicate the loft moistness, but I wonder if not completely, whether the membrane you have posted above might help, or is it simply to reduce dust and what have you in the loft space?

    My last house had, seemingly, a black version of this stuff stapled across the rafters, and it was definitely significantly cleaner and less dusty than our current place - both 30's houses.
    Yeah, this is where I got the idea as lots of companies who board attic space offer a 'dust free' package which includes something similar
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    johngti said:

    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    MattFalle said:

    if its a cave will you not have to sort damp, etc out first?

    Maybe put some steps in to get down there? A window?

    this, exactly.

    its a cave so first thing I would do after what you have said is sort out any damp, lay proper flooring, safe 'leccy, etc.

    tbh, a cave is a pretty rubbish place to do this sort of thing - i'd probably choose a shed/garage/spare room myself.
    If it was a cave he would need to un some cable down there to run the turbo, i'm assuming it's a new fangled up to date gizmo.

    Could run a generator but without the window that would be a problem

    i suppose he could park a car in there and run it off the battery.

    #options
    Solar panels outside, big cable run through the roof, battery pack running, feed into the grid and get paid to suffer in the pain cave. Simples.
    huge angle ginder and cut a hole in the top like a volcano.

    a pain volcano. now thatsfucking cool.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    tetley10 said:

    Must be an upmarket cave if it has battens. #poshcave

    or a really rubbish one that is falling down

    #crapcave
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 13,730
    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    Must be an upmarket cave if it has battens. #poshcave

    or a really rubbish one that is falling down

    #crapcave
    No, it is like one of the Indiana Jones caves.

    #awesomecavewithtreasure
  • wavefrontwavefront Posts: 397
    My dad knew a chap with the surname ‘Cave-Browne-Cave. Always thought that was a cool surname.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 13,730
    wavefront said:

    My dad knew a chap with the surname ‘Cave-Browne-Cave. Always thought that was a cool surname.

    Sounds like a law firm from somewhere in the mid west.
  • photonic69photonic69 Posts: 2,220
    wavefront said:

    My dad knew a chap with the surname ‘Cave-Browne-Cave. Always thought that was a cool surname.

    Reminds me of “Here-Hare-Here” from Withnail. Classic line.
  • tetley10tetley10 Posts: 693
    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    tetley10 said:

    Must be an upmarket cave if it has battens. #poshcave

    or a really rubbish one that is falling down

    #crapcave
    No, it is like one of the Indiana Jones caves.

    #awesomecavewithtreasure
    No, it is like the cave where Kirk finds Spock.

    #awesomespacecave
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