Bike fits

First.Aspect

Would you like Di2 more if it made a whoosh noise?

MattFalle

No, but if it wasn't so expensive, heavy, unreluable, complicated and restricted your choice of frameset then i'd still probably say no as mechanical is just, well, so much easier.

andyrr

Saying “Di2 (which I'm highly unlikely to be using in the near future) seems to offer some riders real benefits l such as those with grip/movement issues in their hands.” Isn’t the same as saying di2 is for people with bad hands. I used the words “such as those” to indicate that I can perceive that there are some people who can gain a real world benefit. There are people on this very forum who have di2 as well as mechanical who appreciate the electronic gear changing and aren’t slaves to some lifestyle you believe they’ve fallen in to.

Back to bike fits then ….

MattFalle

great story dude.

#badhands

andyrr

MattFalle said:

great story dude.

#badhands

Me riding "for Clarion Wheelers Div 3." is a better story. But you posted it. It is fact therefore. Dream on. Pull up your sandbag or whatever dude bruv etc. #Mattfallehastinyhands

ibr17xvii

MattFalle said:

andyrr said:

ibr17xvii said:

MattFalle said:

First.Aspect said:

pblakeney said:

First.Aspect said:

You could design what you wanted. And even get patents for it. But you could conceivably need a licence to actually make, use it or sell it from Shimano, if it would otherwise infringe their existing patents. Which won't be offered, so why would anyone bother.

Those original patents will expire eventually. Then other players can try to replicate the old technology. Whether anyone else will want to sell 20 year old electronics technology is another matter of course.

And therein lies the rub.
All can be avoided by not adopting electronics.

Well no, there were patents for all of the mechanical sti systems as well. That's one reason they are all different.

And whilst it would be great to avoid electronic, the choice isn't good electronic Vs good mechanical any more is it? At least not if you want to use Shimano. Even with SRAM the mechanical stuff hasn't updated for 8 years. How long are they going to make it?

I have some old and clunky campag centaur on one bike. Am now tempted to get some red 22 while I can. Or some newer mechanical campag.

For the Di2 bike the EPS stuff becomes progressively more attractive. Yes I could just eventually get the new Shimano shifters, mechs and internal wiring, but if as a manufacturer you create a £2k barrier anyway, you are inviting people to defect.

don't tell anyone but well set up mechanical red is as good, if not better, than di2 and its cheaper, lighter, more reluable .....

but hey, its not the lifestyle choice.

But hey, that’s your opinion & not fact.

The MattFalle deals in special facts though. The ones confirmed by what he sees in his little bubble, in a very Trumpian way.

you're the one who said di2 was for people with bad hands.

You’re saying it’s a lifestyle choice, explain that please.

And the facts to prove SRAM is better whilst you’re at it.

First.Aspect

You know, I think he just might be winding you up. He was a devotee of both Record and Dura Ace the last time it came up. Both on the groups that clubbies don't use them.

masjer

Yup, he's winding people up again. Thing is, I don't think it's in a jokey way. It's yet another attempt to boost his online persona.

MattFalle

First.Aspect said:

You know, I think he just might be winding you up. He was a devotee of both Record and Dura Ace the last time it came up. Both on the groups that clubbies don't use them.

yup - but mechanical only.

dannbodge

I've had two bit fits.
The first was a game changer for me.
was using the wrong saddle and had it set too far forward and too low.

Following that fit I played around with my position (bars not saddle) and had never been comfier (did 200miler with no issues)

Got a new bike and it's not as comfy so got the position where I thought best and went for another "check-up" one.
Came out with a new cleat position, some shims and my bars being straightened, equalled and shifters moved down a bit (I was riding wonky).

Both had made positive differences for me and IMO were worth the money.

I also do a lot of turbo sessions so use those to play with position too, but try to get as aero as possible, so I'm more comfy when on the road doing it.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Part of me is curious about a bike fit (due to a lower back injury from 2008 which has hindered me less since 2017), but not at ~£200+!

First.Aspect

There can be reasons for a bike fit. But you don't need to fork out money, other than for a tape measure, to learn that the position on two bikes are different from one another or that your bars aren't straight.

No offence, but seriously?

masjer

I've never had a bike fit myself, but I can't understand the negative responses. If it's helped the people (who've had one done) getting comfortable etc what's the problem?
Some people spend huge amounts on shorts, saddles, handlebars all in the pursuit of comfort, what's the difference?
"No offence, but seriously?" basically means you're deliberately trying to offend.

First.Aspect

Yes, it's standard code for meaning offence.

Negative comments are dismay, mostly, that a £3k bike, knowledge of hydraulic and electronic engineering, £500 of matching kit and a day off work to be reassured that your bike fit is more or less okay, are all now barriers to entry.