Vuelta 2021-stage 10: Roquetas de Mar > Rincón de la Victoria -189km *SPOILERS*
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Crazy risky"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I am glad he isn't hurt too.much"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I posted after the TT of stage 1, that Roglic needs to improve his descending, that he sometimes chooses a poor line, then has to correct. That looked the case today, the correction overdone.Pross said:Turns out descending a dead straight ski jump ramp doesn't make you a great descender on a bike. Who'd have thought? Some pretty poor lines being chosen by Roglic in the group. Still taking over 30" more from Bernal though.
I don't remember well enough to know if many of his crashes have been when descending, but whether or not, for a top GC rider, he does seem to crash more often than most other top GC contenders.0 -
That was an impressive win by Storer - he had about 40 seconds over the top, and finished solo with 20 seconds after 17km of descending.0
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Do you think there's a feeling of schadenfreude when a rider sees the person who attacked them dusting themself off on the side of the road?0
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I think bernal is not enjoying the heat"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I thought Roche was interesting on the Eurosport commentary today. Great atmosphere with Kelly and Orlando as well☘️
Ineos tactics questionable on the stage.
I’d forgotten that Martin was on the race!2 -
What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?1
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It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
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I concur with your thinking, and I suspect it comes from the history of them seemingly using their tactics to neutralise (in some peoples eyes) the race, where as in fact they simply had the best rider or riders at the time.Pross said:
It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
Good shout with Movistar - they have a golden opportunity here really, with is it 2 in the top 4 positions?
Both good climbers, with some solid results behind them and seem to be in decent form.
No one ever seems to want to work with what is now Ineos, so I suspect they are simply going to fade away to some degree, but then perhaps they can go for some stage wins instead, a bit like they did at last years Giro, but clearly with no chance of a GC win at the end of it!
Disappointed Yates doesn't seem to have the form he clearly needs to challenge for the win, had presumed the lack of racing, and specific training that must have been going on was all for this race - maybe expecting things too soon, but I'd really like to see him properly contending for a GC win in 2022.Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
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Everyone criticises Movistar tactics to the point where it is a running joke they can't ride a race properly.Pross said:
It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
Ineos only seem to know how to ride a race from the front - when they are behind this often ends up in ineos doing a lot of grunt work that benefits the leader - who is not their rider.
There is a fine line between putting the leading team under pressure and doing their job for them, and Ineos, from where i am sitting, often do the latter.0 -
Their winning tactic has always been to use very strong riders to try to neutralise a race, and try to eliminate any surprises. Which is great if you have the strongest rider in the race.0
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I would like to see ineos use a tactic that involves forcing a different team to do the chasing. I can't remember the last time I saw that happen.kingstongraham said:Their winning tactic has always been to use very strong riders to try to neutralise a race, and try to eliminate any surprises. Which is great if you have the strongest rider in the race.
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Stage 7 of the tour?rick_chasey said:
I would like to see ineos use a tactic that involves forcing a different team to do the chasing. I can't remember the last time I saw that happen.kingstongraham said:Their winning tactic has always been to use very strong riders to try to neutralise a race, and try to eliminate any surprises. Which is great if you have the strongest rider in the race.
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Ineos do need to get hitters into breaks rather than think they can do the old one two three on the final climb/finale of a stage. This does mean the likley sacrifice of their cards but if the strongest guy is on another team and you have a bunch of next level down guys you have to sacrifice those numbers . The trouble with riding on the front putting on the pressure is you tend to lose time anyway in the finale and lose your leverage . It's all contingent on the race parcours and situation of course but etc.kingstongraham said:
Stage 7 of the tour?rick_chasey said:
I would like to see ineos use a tactic that involves forcing a different team to do the chasing. I can't remember the last time I saw that happen.kingstongraham said:Their winning tactic has always been to use very strong riders to try to neutralise a race, and try to eliminate any surprises. Which is great if you have the strongest rider in the race.
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Ineos lost this option in the tour cos of the crashes early on ..so they get a pass on that"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1
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Everyone seems to agree that you need to isolate Roglic (Pog in the Tour) and then throw multiple meaningful attacks at him that he has to cover. The difficulty seems to be in getting his domestiques burnt off without burning out your own, and then having multiple riders capable of attacking him.
It's made even more complicated by other teams having agendas that end up with them doing the work for him. It's a bit of a bummer when you've done the work to isolate him and then get chased down by MovistarWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
At the Giro last year they didn't revert to type at all. They let Sunweb control the race on the stage to Piancavallo, that TGH won, then did the same on the Stelvio stage up until the point they sent Dennis to the front to blow the race apart.rick_chasey said:
Everyone criticises Movistar tactics to the point where it is a running joke they can't ride a race properly.Pross said:
It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
Ineos only seem to know how to ride a race from the front - when they are behind this often ends up in ineos doing a lot of grunt work that benefits the leader - who is not their rider.
There is a fine line between putting the leading team under pressure and doing their job for them, and Ineos, from where i am sitting, often do the latter.
It worked brilliantly then, so it is very surprising that they haven't tried to do something similar since.0 -
It was a strange race . A lot things aligned to make that happen... That said shows a "super domestique" can get into a winning positionandyp said:
At the Giro last year they didn't revert to type at all. They let Sunweb control the race on the stage to Piancavallo, that TGH won, then did the same on the Stelvio stage up until the point they sent Dennis to the front to blow the race apart.rick_chasey said:
Everyone criticises Movistar tactics to the point where it is a running joke they can't ride a race properly.Pross said:
It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
Ineos only seem to know how to ride a race from the front - when they are behind this often ends up in ineos doing a lot of grunt work that benefits the leader - who is not their rider.
There is a fine line between putting the leading team under pressure and doing their job for them, and Ineos, from where i am sitting, often do the latter.
It worked brilliantly then, so it is very surprising that they haven't tried to do something similar since."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
There'll never be a grand tour field that week again.mididoctors said:
It was a strange race . A lot things aligned to make that happen... That said shows a "super domestique" can get into a winning positionandyp said:
At the Giro last year they didn't revert to type at all. They let Sunweb control the race on the stage to Piancavallo, that TGH won, then did the same on the Stelvio stage up until the point they sent Dennis to the front to blow the race apart.rick_chasey said:
Everyone criticises Movistar tactics to the point where it is a running joke they can't ride a race properly.Pross said:
It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
Ineos only seem to know how to ride a race from the front - when they are behind this often ends up in ineos doing a lot of grunt work that benefits the leader - who is not their rider.
There is a fine line between putting the leading team under pressure and doing their job for them, and Ineos, from where i am sitting, often do the latter.
It worked brilliantly then, so it is very surprising that they haven't tried to do something similar since."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Correct (All though technically it was 3 weeks), unless *Doctor Who is able to transport us all back.gsk82 said:
There'll never be a grand tour field that week again.mididoctors said:
It was a strange race . A lot things aligned to make that happen... That said shows a "super domestique" can get into a winning positionandyp said:
At the Giro last year they didn't revert to type at all. They let Sunweb control the race on the stage to Piancavallo, that TGH won, then did the same on the Stelvio stage up until the point they sent Dennis to the front to blow the race apart.rick_chasey said:
Everyone criticises Movistar tactics to the point where it is a running joke they can't ride a race properly.Pross said:
It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
Ineos only seem to know how to ride a race from the front - when they are behind this often ends up in ineos doing a lot of grunt work that benefits the leader - who is not their rider.
There is a fine line between putting the leading team under pressure and doing their job for them, and Ineos, from where i am sitting, often do the latter.
It worked brilliantly then, so it is very surprising that they haven't tried to do something similar since.
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Things happen you never knowgsk82 said:
There'll never be a grand tour field that week again.mididoctors said:
It was a strange race . A lot things aligned to make that happen... That said shows a "super domestique" can get into a winning positionandyp said:
At the Giro last year they didn't revert to type at all. They let Sunweb control the race on the stage to Piancavallo, that TGH won, then did the same on the Stelvio stage up until the point they sent Dennis to the front to blow the race apart.rick_chasey said:
Everyone criticises Movistar tactics to the point where it is a running joke they can't ride a race properly.Pross said:
It's odd how everyone questions Ineos' tactics but no-one seems to criticise other teams such as Astana. Movistar seem to be the strongest team and yet when they had Roglic in a vulnerable position on Sunday they wouldn't work with Ineos to try to take advantage.kingstongraham said:What tactics should ineos use to win when they don't have the best rider?
Ineos only seem to know how to ride a race from the front - when they are behind this often ends up in ineos doing a lot of grunt work that benefits the leader - who is not their rider.
There is a fine line between putting the leading team under pressure and doing their job for them, and Ineos, from where i am sitting, often do the latter.
It worked brilliantly then, so it is very surprising that they haven't tried to do something similar since."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
