Lowering stem, carbon steerer, bung length.

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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    webboo said:

    I would rather my car be fixed by an engineer rather than a technician who puts a machine on, which tells him what’s broken and then replaces it.

    Trouble is, the engineer, wouldn't own a fault code reader, so he'd never know what the problem was with car. He'd send you to the appropriate garage.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    MattFalle said:

    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    nah. most probably not.

    its a wide variety here.
    Well they've not appeared on this thread yet..............
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited August 2021
    masjer said:

    MattFalle said:

    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    nah. most probably not.

    its a wide variety here.
    Well they've not appeared on this thread yet..............
    you said it, but hey, dude/dudette don't be too harsh on yourself.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    Well in another life I actually did a five year apprenticeship as a mechanical engineer. How long does it take to train as a bike mechanic.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    webboo said:

    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    Well in another life I actually did a five year apprenticeship as a mechanical engineer. How long does it take to train as a bike mechanic.
    Cytec level 2, 2 weeks (Mon-Fri, 9-5 with tea breaks and a lunch break).

    Level 1 is two days, same hours as above.

    So a little bit less than your apprenticeship tbh.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    MattFalle said:

    webboo said:

    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    Well in another life I actually did a five year apprenticeship as a mechanical engineer. How long does it take to train as a bike mechanic.
    Cytec level 2, 2 weeks (Mon-Fri, 9-5 with tea breaks and a lunch break).

    Level 1 is two days, same hours as above.

    So a little bit less than your apprenticeship tbh.
    Level 1 is probably just to teach how to use a torque wrench.
    Level 2 how to set up electronic gears/internal cables.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    webboo said:

    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    Well in another life I actually did a five year apprenticeship as a mechanical engineer. How long does it take to train as a bike mechanic.
    Go back far enough and you won't have much/any experience of carbon fibre. As an apprentice engineer, surely you would accept the principle of sleeving a tube to increase its strength?
    I still would imagine that a highly experienced bike mechanic/fitter has more hands on knowledge.
    But I certainly agree it's quicker to become a bike mechanic.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    pblakeney said:

    MattFalle said:

    webboo said:

    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    Well in another life I actually did a five year apprenticeship as a mechanical engineer. How long does it take to train as a bike mechanic.
    Cytec level 2, 2 weeks (Mon-Fri, 9-5 with tea breaks and a lunch break).

    Level 1 is two days, same hours as above.

    So a little bit less than your apprenticeship tbh.
    Level 1 is probably just to teach how to use a torque wrench.
    Level 2 how to set up electronic gears/internal cables.
    level 1 according to the link on the course thread is shop floor assistant, level 2 is workshop lbs level.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    https://activatecycleacademy.com/cytech-courses/cytech-technical-two/

    doesn't actually involve anything difficult, you're paying for the certificate.

    £1250 to you with more for the bolt ons (wheel stuff, etc)
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    MattFalle said:

    Ciao

    Can anyone recommend a mechanics course (Cytech or similar) around the Portsmouth area - ie 20 mins or so so cycle from Gosport.

    Thank you

    M

    That's the course you're wanting to enrol on. Lucky for you, it's simple but you still might be there longer than others.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    edited August 2021
    I suppose a decade of daily experience counts for nothing? The Pro cycle teams need to listen to you Matt, and sack all their mechanics i suppose.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Classic internet argument. We're now at the 'confirmation bias' stage...
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653

    Classic internet argument. We're now at the 'confirmation bias' stage...

    No, It's a classic case of denialism. Ignore the experts, make up your own faux science and never admit your wrong. Think of climate change deniers, Flat Earthers, Creationists, anti vaccers, they are so convinced they're right, when blatantly they're wrong. There is no arguing with these people as has been demonstrated on this thread.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    I'm thinking of them right now...
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    MattFalle said:

    https://activatecycleacademy.com/cytech-courses/cytech-technical-two/

    doesn't actually involve anything difficult, you're paying for the certificate.

    £1250 to you with more for the bolt ons (wheel stuff, etc)

    "It covers the following topics:

    Health & Safety in the workshop
    Customer service skills
    Pre-delivery Inspection (PDI) – set-up, adjustment and frame alignment
    Headsets, gears, rim brakes – removal, fitting, set-up and adjustment
    Hub servicing – strip down and rebuild
    Introduction to disc brakes and hydraulic bleeding
    Bottom bracket removal, thread chasing and fitting including use of torque wrench
    Introduction to internal hub gears
    Wheel truing & spoke replacement
    Wheel building – 3 cross lacing pattern, spoke measurement and tensioning
    Full bike service – strip down, frame prep, rebuild and set-up for test ride)"

    £1250 (if participants are paying) or watch Youtube videos.
    It is all available, from recognised sources. Potential participant's choice.

    PS - Told you about the torque wrench. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    masjer said:

    Classic internet argument. We're now at the 'confirmation bias' stage...

    No, It's a classic case of denialism. Ignore the experts, make up your own faux science and never admit your wrong. Think of climate change deniers, Flat Earthers, Creationists, anti vaccers, they are so convinced they're right, when blatantly they're wrong. There is no arguing with these people as has been demonstrated on this thread.
    I shudder to think what you might be like if you arguing about something important and someone said you were wrong.
    It takes all sorts.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    pblakeney said:

    MattFalle said:

    https://activatecycleacademy.com/cytech-courses/cytech-technical-two/

    doesn't actually involve anything difficult, you're paying for the certificate.

    £1250 to you with more for the bolt ons (wheel stuff, etc)

    "It covers the following topics:

    Health & Safety in the workshop
    Customer service skills
    Pre-delivery Inspection (PDI) – set-up, adjustment and frame alignment
    Headsets, gears, rim brakes – removal, fitting, set-up and adjustment
    Hub servicing – strip down and rebuild
    Introduction to disc brakes and hydraulic bleeding
    Bottom bracket removal, thread chasing and fitting including use of torque wrench
    Introduction to internal hub gears
    Wheel truing & spoke replacement
    Wheel building – 3 cross lacing pattern, spoke measurement and tensioning
    Full bike service – strip down, frame prep, rebuild and set-up for test ride)"

    £1250 (if participants are paying) or watch Youtube videos.
    It is all available, from recognised sources. Potential participant's choice.

    PS - Told you about the torque wrench. 😉
    What would you want covered on a bicycle course? Particle physics, E=mc2, time dilation.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    edited August 2021
    masjer said:

    pblakeney said:

    MattFalle said:

    https://activatecycleacademy.com/cytech-courses/cytech-technical-two/

    doesn't actually involve anything difficult, you're paying for the certificate.

    £1250 to you with more for the bolt ons (wheel stuff, etc)

    "It covers the following topics:

    Health & Safety in the workshop
    Customer service skills
    Pre-delivery Inspection (PDI) – set-up, adjustment and frame alignment
    Headsets, gears, rim brakes – removal, fitting, set-up and adjustment
    Hub servicing – strip down and rebuild
    Introduction to disc brakes and hydraulic bleeding
    Bottom bracket removal, thread chasing and fitting including use of torque wrench
    Introduction to internal hub gears
    Wheel truing & spoke replacement
    Wheel building – 3 cross lacing pattern, spoke measurement and tensioning
    Full bike service – strip down, frame prep, rebuild and set-up for test ride)"

    £1250 (if participants are paying) or watch Youtube videos.
    It is all available, from recognised sources. Potential participant's choice.

    PS - Told you about the torque wrench. 😉
    What would you want covered on a bicycle course? Particle physics, E=mc2, time dilation.
    I figure for £1250 I'd want more than can be had from Park Tools or GCN on YouTube.
    Of course, people are paying the money to give their business some credence. Doesn't mean that they are any good.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    webboo said:

    masjer said:

    webboo said:

    So the reviewer is a bike fitter/ bike mechanic not a structural engineer.

    So you send your car to be fixed by an engineer and not a mechanic?

    Let's face it, he's better qualified than anyone here.

    Well in another life I actually did a five year apprenticeship as a mechanical engineer. How long does it take to train as a bike mechanic.

    Not trying to one-up, but I'm a Chartered Civil Engineer working in a mechanical/civil environment (emphasis on the order of those either side of the oblique) and, in my opinion, the truth is somewhere between masjer and imposter/Matt.

    I mean, who would have thought it? Internet argument falls into two extremes. :wink:
    Ben

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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    ex British Army combat engineer here.

    As well as building bicycles I'm pretty good at shooting things then blowing them up if that helps.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    MattFalle said:

    ex British Army combat engineer here.

    As well as building bicycles I'm pretty good at shooting things then blowing them up if that helps.


    Ah so you were in the demolition team?
    Ben

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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    MattFalle said:

    ex British Army combat engineer here.

    As well as building bicycles I'm pretty good at shooting things then blowing them up if that helps.

    Well, you certainly have shot yourself in the foot enough times! ;)