New Olympic sports
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I suppose the only other significant difference between skateboarding and snowboarding is that riders can go bigger on snowboards due to the slope and lead in. White landed back to back 1440s in the Olympics which I doubt can be done in skateboarding. It doesn't change your point, but it does mean that snowboarding half-pipe is likely to become even more focused on athleticism.pblakeney said:
I think there will be 2 distinct competitions where people can cross over, or specialise.TheBigBean said:
Yes, I agree that slalom is pretty dead. Not helped by the change in stance on a snowboard so it is irrelevant to virtually every rider.pblakeney said:
Slalom has basically been confined to the outer fringes of skateboarding* and does not exist in surfing. I can see your point if coming from a skiing background but the half pipe and going downhill are treated as separate disciplines in snowboarding.TheBigBean said:
Until it is just air. Then it doesn't. For example, the first guy to land a quad whatever was criticised for not being able to get down a black run. I imagine that is made up nonsense, but it reflects a changing view that skills on land are also valued.pblakeney said:
Disagree.TheBigBean said:
So far, but there is a reason that there isn't much interest in ski aerials, and that's that it has little to do with skiing. As snowboarding introduces big air, I could see it ending up in a similar way.morstar said:A mature sport should be able to accommodate all the different approaches.
Snowboarding has managed to absorb the racing mindset without diluting its free riding roots.
If anything it has helped skiing evolve as a sport.
Snowboarding has come from surfing and skateboarding. Big air matters.
Use downhill and BMX in cycling as another comparison.
*Shame as it was something that I excelled at.
I suppose my point is that slopestyle needs to retain as much technical stuff as it can such as a rails and not descend into a ski aerials competition. The introduction of big air feels like a step towards the ski aerials, but perhaps it will just be a separate competition that won't attract much interest.
Thing is that like skateboarding those that do it will appreciate the technical side of street/slopestyle but the general public will prefer the wow factor of the park/half pipe.
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We are going off on a major tangent but here is a snippet of trivia. The half pipe at Livingston was derided for being on a slope. Maybe it was just decades ahead of it's time.TheBigBean said:
I suppose the only other significant difference between skateboarding and snowboarding is that riders can go bigger on snowboards due to the slope and lead in. White landed back to back 1440s in the Olympics which I doubt can be done in skateboarding. It doesn't change your point, but it does mean that snowboarding half-pipe is likely to become even more focused on athleticism.pblakeney said:
I think there will be 2 distinct competitions where people can cross over, or specialise.TheBigBean said:
Yes, I agree that slalom is pretty dead. Not helped by the change in stance on a snowboard so it is irrelevant to virtually every rider.pblakeney said:
Slalom has basically been confined to the outer fringes of skateboarding* and does not exist in surfing. I can see your point if coming from a skiing background but the half pipe and going downhill are treated as separate disciplines in snowboarding.TheBigBean said:
Until it is just air. Then it doesn't. For example, the first guy to land a quad whatever was criticised for not being able to get down a black run. I imagine that is made up nonsense, but it reflects a changing view that skills on land are also valued.pblakeney said:
Disagree.TheBigBean said:
So far, but there is a reason that there isn't much interest in ski aerials, and that's that it has little to do with skiing. As snowboarding introduces big air, I could see it ending up in a similar way.morstar said:A mature sport should be able to accommodate all the different approaches.
Snowboarding has managed to absorb the racing mindset without diluting its free riding roots.
If anything it has helped skiing evolve as a sport.
Snowboarding has come from surfing and skateboarding. Big air matters.
Use downhill and BMX in cycling as another comparison.
*Shame as it was something that I excelled at.
I suppose my point is that slopestyle needs to retain as much technical stuff as it can such as a rails and not descend into a ski aerials competition. The introduction of big air feels like a step towards the ski aerials, but perhaps it will just be a separate competition that won't attract much interest.
Thing is that like skateboarding those that do it will appreciate the technical side of street/slopestyle but the general public will prefer the wow factor of the park/half pipe.
Anyway, it has been decades since I have been on a snowboard so I am probably way out of touch and should be ignored.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I like a bit of gaming but haven't done any for a few years (the log of hours spent on CoD became scary once when work was quiet and I was working from home a lot!). I lost access to the TV when the kids wanted their own space though and also my Internet connection was never up to a high enough standard for online play. Even so, I really couldn't bring myself to watch other people playing it - I did try a few times when it was on late nights on one of the satellite channels. Televised poker was more interesting and I don't think that would be a good watch in the Olympics.rick_chasey said:
Meh probably not but they can be really entertaining.pblakeney said:
No disagreement.rick_chasey said:
No they’re not sports.pblakeney said:
IMO the answer is in the question. It is a game.rick_chasey said:
Do you game?DeVlaeminck said:I think I'd draw the line at eSports. I don't mind the idea of break dancing - but not FIFA.
I'd put it on a par with darts. Undoubted that skill is involved, but not a sport.
They’re esports.
Suitable for the Olympics though?
They have their problems (the most popular esports are just old and not what most people play) but they’re ok if you’re into it.
Having heard someone on the radio talking about how the Olympic breakdancing will be working it sounds like it's going to be like a cliche of the 1980s breakdance movies I watched with kids in national kits facing each other down and than going for a one-on-one 'duel'. As someone said above it doesn't really seem to be in keeping with the Olympic ethos. If the IOC want to get some edgy urban sports into the Games then free running would be far better. The host cities could also use it to showcase local landmarks.0 -
It's weird they haven't included free running given it originated in Paris and these extra sports aren't permanent.Pross said:
I like a bit of gaming but haven't done any for a few years (the log of hours spent on CoD became scary once when work was quiet and I was working from home a lot!). I lost access to the TV when the kids wanted their own space though and also my Internet connection was never up to a high enough standard for online play. Even so, I really couldn't bring myself to watch other people playing it - I did try a few times when it was on late nights on one of the satellite channels. Televised poker was more interesting and I don't think that would be a good watch in the Olympics.rick_chasey said:
Meh probably not but they can be really entertaining.pblakeney said:
No disagreement.rick_chasey said:
No they’re not sports.pblakeney said:
IMO the answer is in the question. It is a game.rick_chasey said:
Do you game?DeVlaeminck said:I think I'd draw the line at eSports. I don't mind the idea of break dancing - but not FIFA.
I'd put it on a par with darts. Undoubted that skill is involved, but not a sport.
They’re esports.
Suitable for the Olympics though?
They have their problems (the most popular esports are just old and not what most people play) but they’re ok if you’re into it.
Having heard someone on the radio talking about how the Olympic breakdancing will be working it sounds like it's going to be like a cliche of the 1980s breakdance movies I watched with kids in national kits facing each other down and than going for a one-on-one 'duel'. As someone said above it doesn't really seem to be in keeping with the Olympic ethos. If the IOC want to get some edgy urban sports into the Games then free running would be far better. The host cities could also use it to showcase local landmarks.0 -
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No. It is played in Canada a lot, but even there "really into" would be a stretch.rick_chasey said:Aren’t the French really into lacrosse?
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Lacrosse is an indigenous American sportrick_chasey said:Aren’t the French really into lacrosse?
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I'd say darts is just as much sport as chucking a spear as far as you can. I'd like the javelin competition better if they first had to throw as close as possible to 70 m, then to 75 m, then to 80 m, and so on, with the ones who were farthest off the set distance at each stage being eliminated, even if they could actually throw much farther. They could have several tries at each distance, their nearest counting.morstar said:
We’ve been here before. I know as I don’t classify darts as sport.laurentian said:
I would say that if archery is considerd a sport then darts should be considered so too . . .pblakeney said:
IMO the answer is in the question. It is a game.rick_chasey said:
Do you game?DeVlaeminck said:I think I'd draw the line at eSports. I don't mind the idea of break dancing - but not FIFA.
I'd put it on a par with darts. Undoubted that skill is involved, but not a sport.
Archery should be running through the woods and shooting at targets with a simple bow.
If the archers are made to run through the woods, as Morstar suggests, then all the track events should be around a lumpy grass field, and the steeplechase should be through the woods, over fallen trees and across streams.
But I agree, there should be an archery competition for bows without sights or stabilisers at the Olympics, it's not unthinkable because the pistol shooting is without sights. They could then also be simple(r) bows instead of the heavy, stabilised, metal bows the experts use.
And there are actually already archery competitions of the type Morstar suggests (in the USA and central Europe – Austria and Germany especially but also Italy, Switzerland, Slovenia, Netherlands and Hungary).
Sometimes with regular targets (the concentric circles), but often with lifesize 3-D animals (made out of hardened foam). Typically there are about 20 shooting stations over a course of length 1-1.5 km, with 2-3 targets to be fired at from each station. The targets/animals vary in size (e.g. from squirrel to red deer), and in the woods they might be partially hidden by shrubs or trees. They are put at differing distances from the shooting station (not normed distances, as in the Olympics) and an undulating course will often also mean shooting up- or downhill (unlike across the flat as in the Olympics).
The photos give an idea of an easy and a difficult target.
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I mentioned free running in a post a couple of weeks ago (saying I wondered whether it might be included in the Olympics soon) but no one reacted, perhaps because I used the other term it is known by – Parkour.TheBigBean said:
It's weird they haven't included free running given it originated in Paris and these extra sports aren't permanent.Pross said:
I like a bit of gaming but haven't done any for a few years (the log of hours spent on CoD became scary once when work was quiet and I was working from home a lot!). I lost access to the TV when the kids wanted their own space though and also my Internet connection was never up to a high enough standard for online play. Even so, I really couldn't bring myself to watch other people playing it - I did try a few times when it was on late nights on one of the satellite channels. Televised poker was more interesting and I don't think that would be a good watch in the Olympics.rick_chasey said:
Meh probably not but they can be really entertaining.pblakeney said:
No disagreement.rick_chasey said:
No they’re not sports.pblakeney said:
IMO the answer is in the question. It is a game.rick_chasey said:
Do you game?DeVlaeminck said:I think I'd draw the line at eSports. I don't mind the idea of break dancing - but not FIFA.
I'd put it on a par with darts. Undoubted that skill is involved, but not a sport.
They’re esports.
Suitable for the Olympics though?
They have their problems (the most popular esports are just old and not what most people play) but they’re ok if you’re into it.
Having heard someone on the radio talking about how the Olympic breakdancing will be working it sounds like it's going to be like a cliche of the 1980s breakdance movies I watched with kids in national kits facing each other down and than going for a one-on-one 'duel'. As someone said above it doesn't really seem to be in keeping with the Olympic ethos. If the IOC want to get some edgy urban sports into the Games then free running would be far better. The host cities could also use it to showcase local landmarks.
Yes, I think it would be good to include.0 -
Wouldn't it be like an assault course? Maybe they could have Olympic ninja warrior.0
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Maybe archery could be like that van Damme film Hard Target. The targets could be selected from the athletes that get eliminated in the preliminary rounds of the respective events. It could have more points for bagging a 100m sprinter than a heavyweight weightlifter. Anyone caught doping could be added to the target pool too.0
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In the Bouldering part of the climbing. The run and jump problems are due to the Parkour influence. It makes watching more interesting, however the climbing world is split on it. With many preferring steep and pull like f*ck problems.jimmyjams said:
I mentioned free running in a post a couple of weeks ago (saying I wondered whether it might be included in the Olympics soon) but no one reacted, perhaps because I used the other term it is known by – Parkour.TheBigBean said:
It's weird they haven't included free running given it originated in Paris and these extra sports aren't permanent.Pross said:
I like a bit of gaming but haven't done any for a few years (the log of hours spent on CoD became scary once when work was quiet and I was working from home a lot!). I lost access to the TV when the kids wanted their own space though and also my Internet connection was never up to a high enough standard for online play. Even so, I really couldn't bring myself to watch other people playing it - I did try a few times when it was on late nights on one of the satellite channels. Televised poker was more interesting and I don't think that would be a good watch in the Olympics.rick_chasey said:
Meh probably not but they can be really entertaining.pblakeney said:
No disagreement.rick_chasey said:
No they’re not sports.pblakeney said:
IMO the answer is in the question. It is a game.rick_chasey said:
Do you game?DeVlaeminck said:I think I'd draw the line at eSports. I don't mind the idea of break dancing - but not FIFA.
I'd put it on a par with darts. Undoubted that skill is involved, but not a sport.
They’re esports.
Suitable for the Olympics though?
They have their problems (the most popular esports are just old and not what most people play) but they’re ok if you’re into it.
Having heard someone on the radio talking about how the Olympic breakdancing will be working it sounds like it's going to be like a cliche of the 1980s breakdance movies I watched with kids in national kits facing each other down and than going for a one-on-one 'duel'. As someone said above it doesn't really seem to be in keeping with the Olympic ethos. If the IOC want to get some edgy urban sports into the Games then free running would be far better. The host cities could also use it to showcase local landmarks.
Yes, I think it would be good to include.0 -
On the subject of archery, they only use a recurve bow at the Olympics, so it is fairly basic.0
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There has been a discussion about Cricket and the olympics during lunch on TMS and one pointas far as I understood it was that due to the nation state rules for olympic competition the West Indies could not enter as the West Indies, only as their individual islands.0
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Yes, was thinking that. So that means GB (England & Wales), Aus, NZ, India, Pakistan, SA, Jamaica and Zimbabwe? Any of the other Windies big enough to muster a team?verylonglegs said:There has been a discussion about Cricket and the olympics during lunch on TMS and one pointas far as I understood it was that due to the nation state rules for olympic competition the West Indies could not enter as the West Indies, only as their individual islands.
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Bangladesh too. Just very effectively taken Australia apart in a t20 series. And Sri Lanka as the other test playing nations.Mad_Malx said:
Yes, was thinking that. So that means GB (England & Wales), Aus, NZ, India, Pakistan, SA, Jamaica and Zimbabwe? Any of the other Windies big enough to muster a team?verylonglegs said:There has been a discussion about Cricket and the olympics during lunch on TMS and one pointas far as I understood it was that due to the nation state rules for olympic competition the West Indies could not enter as the West Indies, only as their individual islands.
Not sure how much of a team Afghanistan will muster in a few years time, they're currently ranked 7th at t20.0 -
Has bodybuilding ever been considered for an Olympic sport? Probably not due to drug issues.0
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Plus, there's the whole blacking up issue....😉morstar said:
Aside from the fact it is incredibly dull, there is no sporting contest.dennisn said:Has bodybuilding ever been considered for an Olympic sport? Probably not due to drug issues.
The training is undoubtedly intense but the competition itself is a modelling exhibition.0 -
For those of you who wanted to watch more climbing. The bouldering world champs are on this weekend.
If you go on UKBouldering and find the IFSC2021 thread there are links that enable you to watch it.0 -
The speed climb part is on iPlayer at the moment, the rest - Bouldering and Lead are on over the weekend via BBC Sport website or iPlayer. Just need to fit it in round the Worlds, and T20 finals day....0
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Watched the women's bouldering semis and final today; winner Grossmann was amazingly dominant throughout, easily the new main bouldering challenger to Garnbret (she has already beaten Garnbret, last May, the first to defeat Garnbret since 2018). I was also very impressed by Moroni, the Italian runner-up, she was only 9th after the qualis. In fact very impressed by all the competitors.webboo said:For those of you who wanted to watch more climbing. The bouldering world champs are on this weekend.
If you go on UKBouldering and find the IFSC2021 thread there are links that enable you to watch it.
And also impressed by the building in which it all is taking place.
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Brit Hamish McArthur takes bronze in the lead-climbing World Championships.0
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Yes I heard of his results at the recent Youth World Championships; he seems to rise to the occasion.webboo said:
I think this was his first senior championship. He won the youth worlds both in lead and bouldering about a month ago.jimmyjams said:Brit Hamish McArthur takes bronze in the lead-climbing World Championships.
He had the peeved look of a dissatisfied youth when he fell yesterday, but by the time of the prize ceremony he was smiling so must have soon afterwards realised what he had achieved - being beaten only by one's childhood hero and a Slovenian (in any sport nowadays) is no mean feat.0
