TDF 2021 - Rest day 1 - *SPOILERS *
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I'd be happier with more sunshine and views, but yesterday the helicopter got some pretty dramatic shots anyway.1
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Yates put 30 secs or a minute into his rivals over and over and looked increasing hollow and carved out ... His eyes 👀 recided into his skull 💀.. pog gained 30 secs the other day as a afterthought . I can't see this collapse. A hot day perhaps isolated with out enough drinks and feedsamrushton said:
Seen it happen enough times tho. Yates obviously but one hot day and a lack of fuel or some crash and it's over. Until he gets over the finish line it's not a done deal.rick_chasey said:
It is for the win. It was barely alive after the TT. It would have to be a monumental collapse or a crash for anything to change.lettingthedaysgoby said:Exactly. We’re not even half way yet. The GC race isn’t over.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Clearly you have forgotten the Mur de Bretagne with MvdP attacking first time up to get the needed bonus seconds and then attacking again the second time to take yellow, in memory of his grandad. that was pretty special, and had zilch to do with Cav.rick_chasey said:
In fairness I have been dealing with some nasty stuff this week and it has coincided with what the forum reckons were the best days, so I do not have a complete picture.lettingthedaysgoby said:Exactly. We’re not even half way yet. The GC race isn’t over.
I don’t understand anyone saying things are boring even if it is - the only way it’s over is if we’re watching the arrival of a rider who would then go down in history as one of the best new talents the sport has ever seen. As a cycling fan isn’t that something to be celebrated, something fabulous to just sit back and watch?
First 5 days were a snooze if you're not a cav fan.
Sprint uphill, one dominates the rest, repeat day two but different rider, sprint stage, GC destroying TT, sprint stage.
Crashes were just sad.
Then MvdP riding an incredible TT to hang onto yellow by a handful of seconds.
A breakaway the next day featuring the yellow and green jerseys.
Seriously Rick, whether you include Cav or not, it's been a bloody good first week, including those first five 'snooze' days.1 -
When you think of all the things that can happen from KM 0 to the Champs Elysees....the level of concentration perseverance motivation etc is incredible for all. Then add the pressure of expectation for the GC contenders...and that's minute by minute on the road. And then you are the defending champion at 22. I've lost my train of thought 😂 but it's bloody amazing0
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Indeed, when he put time into people it was 26 seconds, 4 seconds, 2 seconds, 17 seconds, and 41 seconds, which coupled with the days he lost time (such as the time trials) meant he was just 28 seconds ahead of Dumoulin prior to his blow up.mididoctors said:
Yates put 30 secs or a minute into his rivals over and over and looked increasing hollow and carved out ... His eyes 👀 recided into his skull 💀.. pog gained 30 secs the other day as a afterthought . I can't see this collapse. A hot day perhaps isolated with out enough drinks and feedsamrushton said:
Seen it happen enough times tho. Yates obviously but one hot day and a lack of fuel or some crash and it's over. Until he gets over the finish line it's not a done deal.rick_chasey said:
It is for the win. It was barely alive after the TT. It would have to be a monumental collapse or a crash for anything to change.lettingthedaysgoby said:Exactly. We’re not even half way yet. The GC race isn’t over.
Pogacar took 30 seconds yesterday out of apparent boredom as much as anything else.0 -
In fairness, I missed that entirely as did all the ITV4 viewers on an ad break and I only noticed it after the finish when he took yellow.Dorset_Boy said:
Clearly you have forgotten the Mur de Bretagne with MvdP attacking first time up to get the needed bonus seconds and then attacking again the second time to take yellow, in memory of his grandad. that was pretty special, and had zilch to do with Cav.rick_chasey said:
In fairness I have been dealing with some nasty stuff this week and it has coincided with what the forum reckons were the best days, so I do not have a complete picture.lettingthedaysgoby said:Exactly. We’re not even half way yet. The GC race isn’t over.
I don’t understand anyone saying things are boring even if it is - the only way it’s over is if we’re watching the arrival of a rider who would then go down in history as one of the best new talents the sport has ever seen. As a cycling fan isn’t that something to be celebrated, something fabulous to just sit back and watch?
First 5 days were a snooze if you're not a cav fan.
Sprint uphill, one dominates the rest, repeat day two but different rider, sprint stage, GC destroying TT, sprint stage.
Crashes were just sad.
Then MvdP riding an incredible TT to hang onto yellow by a handful of seconds.
A breakaway the next day featuring the yellow and green jerseys.
Seriously Rick, whether you include Cav or not, it's been a bloody good first week, including those first five 'snooze' days.
The sentimentality stuff doesn't work for me unfortunately. His dad also took yellow (but they screwed up the timings so he missed the podium), and I saw an interview with him on the day - gave you a different vibe to the whole thing.0 -
Geraint even more so.mididoctors said:Roglic crashing out was kinda predictable ... That pre race prep stratergy had nervousness written all over it. Cav being this good is just incredible as he would say ... Sonny colbrelli could really challenge for that jersey if he keeps going in the hills... Same for KOM competition which is going to be the best for years .....
GC ....well what can you say ? Still a lot of road left . Plenty of talk about how mega pog is . Podium battle may get absurd with long range attacks by people 10 mins down keep coming ...why not ?
A lot of "pog may crash " energy floating around ... Bit weird thinking about it.
Ok big factors in first week being so good was WvA and MvdP along with JA.. WvA made that escape happen and MvdP made it stick . They animated the first week .The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Pogacar himself said he prefers the cold and wet weather and the heat might cause him problems. If there's a couple of hot days in the Pyrenees it could be interesting.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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I am also missing the carnival vibe with things like the avondetappen still in Ned and the ITV lads still in the UK, as well as the people on the call.
The tour is as much about that for me as it is the racing.0 -
I think you're just missing WvA action.rick_chasey said:I am also missing the carnival vibe with things like the avondetappen still in Ned and the ITV lads still in the UK, as well as the people on the call.
The tour is as much about that for me as it is the racing.0 -
I don't mean this in a doping way, I don't care about that so much, but he reminds me of Lance a lot.salsiccia1 said:Pogacar himself said he prefers the cold and wet weather and the heat might cause him problems. If there's a couple of hot days in the Pyrenees it could be interesting.
Lance is the last rider I think who could beat his rivals mentally long before the race was over.
I feel Pog did that in the TT and then again in the first mountain stage. Even if he has a weak day I don't think it matters, he's got them all beat.
That ability just to give everyone a big smack on GC early on.
I always felt with Froome it was much more calculated than that and the margins much smaller.0 -
I've got to say, I've thoroughly enjoyed the first week, and I get what you mean about Avondetap (I assume that's pretty much the DK Aftentour equivalent). Also, my commentary is coming from Chris Anker and Rolf Sørensen, who are actually in France I believe. There's certainly a "being there" thing of being able to watch live and then recap on the day in the evening.
There's been plenty to follow from a Viking perspective as well - Vingegaard, Asgreen, Bjerg and Mørkøv have all been excellent, and with 11 riders there's a lot of chat and high hopes of a Danish stage win. Mads P provides excellent value bombing other rider's interviews to take the piss.
Aside from that, Cav is an incredible story, MvdP animated the race, Friday's insane breakaway (cmon, we had the lead trio from Flanders racing each other!) and plenty of high drama (not all of it fortunate). Not to mention that the last two days were in awful weather and became insanely hard.
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Me too, although I am not sure why you are missing it, as unlike my other compulsory Tour show, "Vive le Velo" which has kicked into touch, De Avondetappe is live every evening.rick_chasey said:I am also missing the carnival vibe with things like the avondetappen still in Ned and the ITV lads still in the UK, as well as the people on the call.
The tour is as much about that for me as it is the racing.
The reason I can't watch is that I finally gave up on the big dish set up."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I meant more the vibe isn't the same when they're not in France.blazing_saddles said:
Me too, although I am not sure why you are missing it, as unlike my other compulsory Tour show, "Vive le Velo" which has kicked into touch, De Avondetappe is live every evening.rick_chasey said:I am also missing the carnival vibe with things like the avondetappen still in Ned and the ITV lads still in the UK, as well as the people on the call.
The tour is as much about that for me as it is the racing.
The reason I can't watch is that I finally gave up on the big dish set up.
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Oh yeah definitely.rick_chasey said:
I meant more the vibe isn't the same when they're not in France.blazing_saddles said:
Me too, although I am not sure why you are missing it, as unlike my other compulsory Tour show, "Vive le Velo" which has kicked into touch, De Avondetappe is live every evening.rick_chasey said:I am also missing the carnival vibe with things like the avondetappen still in Ned and the ITV lads still in the UK, as well as the people on the call.
The tour is as much about that for me as it is the racing.
The reason I can't watch is that I finally gave up on the big dish set up."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Adri Van der Poel was only Poulidor's son in law though. So there is something much more special for Poulidor's grandson to have worn the jersey that he never did.rick_chasey said:
In fairness, I missed that entirely as did all the ITV4 viewers on an ad break and I only noticed it after the finish when he took yellow.Dorset_Boy said:
Clearly you have forgotten the Mur de Bretagne with MvdP attacking first time up to get the needed bonus seconds and then attacking again the second time to take yellow, in memory of his grandad. that was pretty special, and had zilch to do with Cav.rick_chasey said:
In fairness I have been dealing with some nasty stuff this week and it has coincided with what the forum reckons were the best days, so I do not have a complete picture.lettingthedaysgoby said:Exactly. We’re not even half way yet. The GC race isn’t over.
I don’t understand anyone saying things are boring even if it is - the only way it’s over is if we’re watching the arrival of a rider who would then go down in history as one of the best new talents the sport has ever seen. As a cycling fan isn’t that something to be celebrated, something fabulous to just sit back and watch?
First 5 days were a snooze if you're not a cav fan.
Sprint uphill, one dominates the rest, repeat day two but different rider, sprint stage, GC destroying TT, sprint stage.
Crashes were just sad.
Then MvdP riding an incredible TT to hang onto yellow by a handful of seconds.
A breakaway the next day featuring the yellow and green jerseys.
Seriously Rick, whether you include Cav or not, it's been a bloody good first week, including those first five 'snooze' days.
The sentimentality stuff doesn't work for me unfortunately. His dad also took yellow (but they screwed up the timings so he missed the podium), and I saw an interview with him on the day - gave you a different vibe to the whole thing.
What different vibe in the interview you on about? On the day MvdP won yello?0 -
The thing with a Lance is that he was very obviously soooo Alpha and conspicuous in his domination of others (not just on the bike). Pog seems to just need to turn up.
I’m just praying he’s clean as well. I’ve seen this too many times where it’s turned out to not be the case.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
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I am on record for saying as much in the pre tour thread ... Half joking / not joking at the timepblakeney said:
Geraint even more so.mididoctors said:Roglic crashing out was kinda predictable ... That pre race prep stratergy had nervousness written all over it. Cav being this good is just incredible as he would say ... Sonny colbrelli could really challenge for that jersey if he keeps going in the hills... Same for KOM competition which is going to be the best for years .....
GC ....well what can you say ? Still a lot of road left . Plenty of talk about how mega pog is . Podium battle may get absurd with long range attacks by people 10 mins down keep coming ...why not ?
A lot of "pog may crash " energy floating around ... Bit weird thinking about it.
Ok big factors in first week being so good was WvA and MvdP along with JA.. WvA made that escape happen and MvdP made it stick . They animated the first week ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Pog had two tests before yesterdays stage and one after. When asked the question about his performances.0
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My main reason for not picking him for the PTP.mididoctors said:
I am on record for saying as much in the pre tour thread ... Half joking / not joking at the timepblakeney said:
Geraint even more so.mididoctors said:Roglic crashing out was kinda predictable ... That pre race prep stratergy had nervousness written all over it. Cav being this good is just incredible as he would say ... Sonny colbrelli could really challenge for that jersey if he keeps going in the hills... Same for KOM competition which is going to be the best for years .....
GC ....well what can you say ? Still a lot of road left . Plenty of talk about how mega pog is . Podium battle may get absurd with long range attacks by people 10 mins down keep coming ...why not ?
A lot of "pog may crash " energy floating around ... Bit weird thinking about it.
Ok big factors in first week being so good was WvA and MvdP along with JA.. WvA made that escape happen and MvdP made it stick . They animated the first week .
Pogacar was too obvious. But then you don't win by picking second place. 🤬The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No point worrying about that during the event. The feelings you get when you watch the ride can't be changed, only the feelings about it afterwards.gweeds said:
I’m just praying he’s clean as well. I’ve seen this too many times where it’s turned out to not be the case.
I still remember how slack jawed I was at rides in the '00s and they really were imprinted on me. That memory doesn't just disappear with a positive test.2 -
Although Froome won the first mountain stage on three of his four wins (and on Wiggins's as well). They included 2016 when he one attacking on the downhill after the 'experts' said he was a bad descender and would be vulnerable.rick_chasey said:
I always felt with Froome it was much more calculated than that and the margins much smaller.
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He did. You know exactly what I mean though. When I saw that opening stage TT Lance did in 2005 when he caught Ulrich, you knew already the Tour was won.RichN95. said:
Although Froome won the first mountain stage on three of his four wins (and on Wiggins's as well). They included 2016 when he one attacking on the downhill after the 'experts' said he was a bad descender and would be vulnerable.rick_chasey said:
I always felt with Froome it was much more calculated than that and the margins much smaller.
I haven't really felt like that so early on until I saw the Pog TT.0 -
I always pick a mad outsider ...pblakeney said:
My main reason for not picking him for the PTP.mididoctors said:
I am on record for saying as much in the pre tour thread ... Half joking / not joking at the timepblakeney said:
Geraint even more so.mididoctors said:Roglic crashing out was kinda predictable ... That pre race prep stratergy had nervousness written all over it. Cav being this good is just incredible as he would say ... Sonny colbrelli could really challenge for that jersey if he keeps going in the hills... Same for KOM competition which is going to be the best for years .....
GC ....well what can you say ? Still a lot of road left . Plenty of talk about how mega pog is . Podium battle may get absurd with long range attacks by people 10 mins down keep coming ...why not ?
A lot of "pog may crash " energy floating around ... Bit weird thinking about it.
Ok big factors in first week being so good was WvA and MvdP along with JA.. WvA made that escape happen and MvdP made it stick . They animated the first week .
Pogacar was too obvious. But then you don't win by picking second place. 🤬"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Writing was on the wall for sure .rick_chasey said:
He did. You know exactly what I mean though. When I saw that opening stage TT Lance did in 2005 when he caught Ulrich, you knew already the Tour was won.RichN95. said:
Although Froome won the first mountain stage on three of his four wins (and on Wiggins's as well). They included 2016 when he one attacking on the downhill after the 'experts' said he was a bad descender and would be vulnerable.rick_chasey said:
I always felt with Froome it was much more calculated than that and the margins much smaller.
I haven't really felt like that so early on until I saw the Pog TT."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Uran is looking relaxed and healthy"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Wait - Chris Anker and Sørensen are two different people ?No_Ta_Doctor said:
Also, my commentary is coming from Chris Anker and Rolf Sørensen, who are actually in France I believe.
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rick_chasey said:
He did. You know exactly what I mean though. When I saw that opening stage TT Lance did in 2005 when he caught Ulrich, you knew already the Tour was won.RichN95. said:
Although Froome won the first mountain stage on three of his four wins (and on Wiggins's as well). They included 2016 when he one attacking on the downhill after the 'experts' said he was a bad descender and would be vulnerable.rick_chasey said:
I always felt with Froome it was much more calculated than that and the margins much smaller.
I thought 2016 was a similar statement after the discussion of his alleged descending.
But he didn't have six consecutive wins like Armstrong.
With Pogacar it felt it's not just this Tour that's won but those for the forseeable future too.Twitter: @RichN950 -
But Remco!RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
He did. You know exactly what I mean though. When I saw that opening stage TT Lance did in 2005 when he caught Ulrich, you knew already the Tour was won.RichN95. said:
Although Froome won the first mountain stage on three of his four wins (and on Wiggins's as well). They included 2016 when he one attacking on the downhill after the 'experts' said he was a bad descender and would be vulnerable.rick_chasey said:
I always felt with Froome it was much more calculated than that and the margins much smaller.
I thought 2016 was a similar statement after the discussion of his alleged descending.
But he didn't have six consecutive wins like Armstrong.
With Pogacar it felt it's not just this Tour that's won but those for the forseeable future too.0
