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  • veronese68veronese68 Posts: 25,969 Lives Here
    david37 said:

    ddraver said:

    Neither Brown nor Miliband were tories...

    and yet Boris has borrowed huge chunks of their manifestos. JC wanted to raise corporation tax to an eye bleedingly high 26% and was denounced as a deranged trot trying to destroy the UK economy. Why do the same denouncers not denounce Boris/Rishi as deranged trots trying to destroy the UK economy?

    Blair was not a Tory yet his economic policies were way to the right of the current Govt.

    Imagine if Starmer introduced a manifesto promising fiscal prudence and a rolling back of the State to leave individuals with more freedom to make their own decisions?

    Insanely millions would vote for the blue rosette because that is what they always do even though that rosette now stands for all of the things they pasionately argued against ten years ago
    that isn't a serious question is it?
    Is it a bit too complicated a concept for you?
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    david37 said:

    ddraver said:

    It doesn't skew right, but equally, I suspect a majority of us have voted Tory at some point, and this isn't the leftie stronghold it's sometimes made out to be.

    We don't have a single open Labour voter. Not a one! Not even a reluctant Keir Starmer voter...

    Not to mention that the very youngest of us are mid-thirties, (?)married, (?)home owners with kids.

    Of course it's skewed right!
    we've got full spectrum lefties, anti royalist, redistribution of wealth twunts. its just that most of the lefty contributors are also ultra privileged and live in the Home Counties, have never worked for much in their lives and feel their mental health is something others should care about but at the same time go on crusades for those who they and the popular self-indulgent people like them feel are downtrodden and can't look after themselves; this group appears to include women, black people, gay people, muslims and terrorists.

    In fact everyone but them. which raises interesting questions about their own delusional egos.

    Its a great place :)



    You do know that the majority of people in the Home Counties, like everywhere else, are working class, low to middle wage workers right?
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  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    david37 said:



    we've got full spectrum lefties, anti royalist, redistribution of wealth twunts. its just that most of the lefty contributors are also ultra privileged and live in the Home Counties, have never worked for much in their lives and feel their mental health is something others should care about but at the same time go on crusades for those who they and the popular self-indulgent people like them feel are downtrodden and can't look after themselves; this group appears to include women, black people, gay people, muslims and terrorists.

    In fact everyone but them. which raises interesting questions about their own delusional egos.

    Its a great place :)

    And you deduced all that from...what? You really are a nasty piece of work

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • david37david37 Posts: 1,313

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    shortfall said:

    morstar said:

    As evidenced by stand up comedy. There isn’t a lot of good right wing humour.

    Maybe those on the right should try posting something funny once in a while.

    Here's a right wing joke for you.
    Q. What did socialists use before candles?
    A. Electricity
    The suggestion was that someone from the right should post something funny. Still waiting...

    PS: do you use the NHS? That's the very essence of a socialist system.
    As are roads, schools, bin collections, Police & Fire service, etc etc

    and all paid for by the private sector.
    The infratructue is also used by the private sector. Consider it "rent".
    no its paid for by the private sector. end of. teachers salaries private sector. nurses wages private sector. the entire welfare state - private sector. public sector income tax - all supplied by the private sector.

  • david37david37 Posts: 1,313
    elbowloh said:

    david37 said:

    ddraver said:

    It doesn't skew right, but equally, I suspect a majority of us have voted Tory at some point, and this isn't the leftie stronghold it's sometimes made out to be.

    We don't have a single open Labour voter. Not a one! Not even a reluctant Keir Starmer voter...

    Not to mention that the very youngest of us are mid-thirties, (?)married, (?)home owners with kids.

    Of course it's skewed right!
    we've got full spectrum lefties, anti royalist, redistribution of wealth twunts. its just that most of the lefty contributors are also ultra privileged and live in the Home Counties, have never worked for much in their lives and feel their mental health is something others should care about but at the same time go on crusades for those who they and the popular self-indulgent people like them feel are downtrodden and can't look after themselves; this group appears to include women, black people, gay people, muslims and terrorists.

    In fact everyone but them. which raises interesting questions about their own delusional egos.

    Its a great place :)



    You do know that the majority of people in the Home Counties, like everywhere else, are working class, low to middle wage workers right?
    I think the definition of working class may have drifted then.
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    david37 said:

    elbowloh said:

    david37 said:

    ddraver said:

    It doesn't skew right, but equally, I suspect a majority of us have voted Tory at some point, and this isn't the leftie stronghold it's sometimes made out to be.

    We don't have a single open Labour voter. Not a one! Not even a reluctant Keir Starmer voter...

    Not to mention that the very youngest of us are mid-thirties, (?)married, (?)home owners with kids.

    Of course it's skewed right!
    we've got full spectrum lefties, anti royalist, redistribution of wealth twunts. its just that most of the lefty contributors are also ultra privileged and live in the Home Counties, have never worked for much in their lives and feel their mental health is something others should care about but at the same time go on crusades for those who they and the popular self-indulgent people like them feel are downtrodden and can't look after themselves; this group appears to include women, black people, gay people, muslims and terrorists.

    In fact everyone but them. which raises interesting questions about their own delusional egos.

    Its a great place :)



    You do know that the majority of people in the Home Counties, like everywhere else, are working class, low to middle wage workers right?
    I think the definition of working class may have drifted then.
    Or, given that I live in the Home Counties, perhaps you're actually wrong?

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 22,753

  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 24,241
    david37 said:

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    shortfall said:

    morstar said:

    As evidenced by stand up comedy. There isn’t a lot of good right wing humour.

    Maybe those on the right should try posting something funny once in a while.

    Here's a right wing joke for you.
    Q. What did socialists use before candles?
    A. Electricity
    The suggestion was that someone from the right should post something funny. Still waiting...

    PS: do you use the NHS? That's the very essence of a socialist system.
    As are roads, schools, bin collections, Police & Fire service, etc etc

    and all paid for by the private sector.
    The infratructue is also used by the private sector. Consider it "rent".
    no its paid for by the private sector. end of. teachers salaries private sector. nurses wages private sector. the entire welfare state - private sector. public sector income tax - all supplied by the private sector.

    😂
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    david37 said:

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    shortfall said:

    morstar said:

    As evidenced by stand up comedy. There isn’t a lot of good right wing humour.

    Maybe those on the right should try posting something funny once in a while.

    Here's a right wing joke for you.
    Q. What did socialists use before candles?
    A. Electricity
    The suggestion was that someone from the right should post something funny. Still waiting...

    PS: do you use the NHS? That's the very essence of a socialist system.
    As are roads, schools, bin collections, Police & Fire service, etc etc

    and all paid for by the private sector.
    The infratructue is also used by the private sector. Consider it "rent".
    no its paid for by the private sector. end of. teachers salaries private sector. nurses wages private sector. the entire welfare state - private sector. public sector income tax - all supplied by the private sector.

    I think you need to work on your understanding of Economics.

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,201
    There is no dark side of the moon private sector really.
    Matter of fact it's all dark private.
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    orraloon said:

    There is no dark side of the moon private sector really.
    Matter of fact it's all dark private.

    All economic activity is publicly funded, discuss.

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • JezyboyJezyboy Posts: 1,954
    edited March 2021
    Someone has been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    Jezyboy said:

    Someone has been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.

    Personally, I only listen to credible economic commentators.

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • david37david37 Posts: 1,313
    secretsam said:

    david37 said:

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    shortfall said:

    morstar said:

    As evidenced by stand up comedy. There isn’t a lot of good right wing humour.

    Maybe those on the right should try posting something funny once in a while.

    Here's a right wing joke for you.
    Q. What did socialists use before candles?
    A. Electricity
    The suggestion was that someone from the right should post something funny. Still waiting...

    PS: do you use the NHS? That's the very essence of a socialist system.
    As are roads, schools, bin collections, Police & Fire service, etc etc

    and all paid for by the private sector.
    The infratructue is also used by the private sector. Consider it "rent".
    no its paid for by the private sector. end of. teachers salaries private sector. nurses wages private sector. the entire welfare state - private sector. public sector income tax - all supplied by the private sector.

    I think you need to work on your understanding of Economics.
    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 11,497
    david37 said:

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    shortfall said:

    morstar said:

    As evidenced by stand up comedy. There isn’t a lot of good right wing humour.

    Maybe those on the right should try posting something funny once in a while.

    Here's a right wing joke for you.
    Q. What did socialists use before candles?
    A. Electricity
    The suggestion was that someone from the right should post something funny. Still waiting...

    PS: do you use the NHS? That's the very essence of a socialist system.
    As are roads, schools, bin collections, Police & Fire service, etc etc

    and all paid for by the private sector.
    The infratructue is also used by the private sector. Consider it "rent".
    no its paid for by the private sector. end of. teachers salaries private sector. nurses wages private sector. the entire welfare state - private sector. public sector income tax - all supplied by the private sector.
    Mmm. So, stop all public spending then. Private sector can just buy what it needs. It can train its own people from the age of 5, build its own private roads to get them to and from work. Use its own power generating infrastructure. And its own telephone and communications infrastructure. Discuss.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 24,241
    edited March 2021
    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    david37 said:

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    shortfall said:

    morstar said:

    As evidenced by stand up comedy. There isn’t a lot of good right wing humour.

    Maybe those on the right should try posting something funny once in a while.

    Here's a right wing joke for you.
    Q. What did socialists use before candles?
    A. Electricity
    The suggestion was that someone from the right should post something funny. Still waiting...

    PS: do you use the NHS? That's the very essence of a socialist system.
    As are roads, schools, bin collections, Police & Fire service, etc etc

    and all paid for by the private sector.
    The infratructue is also used by the private sector. Consider it "rent".
    no its paid for by the private sector. end of. teachers salaries private sector. nurses wages private sector. the entire welfare state - private sector. public sector income tax - all supplied by the private sector.

    I think you need to work on your understanding of Economics.
    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics
    Given that the government has borrowed ~£400bn from itself (sorry, the 'independent' Bank of England) and paid that to a number of private companies, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say public spending is entirely funded by the private sector. It contributes a portion.

    Unless you're minting your own 😉
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 22,753
    Well this went as expected.
  • david37david37 Posts: 1,313
    rjsterry said:

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    david37 said:

    david37 said:

    secretsam said:

    shortfall said:

    morstar said:

    As evidenced by stand up comedy. There isn’t a lot of good right wing humour.

    Maybe those on the right should try posting something funny once in a while.

    Here's a right wing joke for you.
    Q. What did socialists use before candles?
    A. Electricity
    The suggestion was that someone from the right should post something funny. Still waiting...

    PS: do you use the NHS? That's the very essence of a socialist system.
    As are roads, schools, bin collections, Police & Fire service, etc etc

    and all paid for by the private sector.
    The infratructue is also used by the private sector. Consider it "rent".
    no its paid for by the private sector. end of. teachers salaries private sector. nurses wages private sector. the entire welfare state - private sector. public sector income tax - all supplied by the private sector.

    I think you need to work on your understanding of Economics.
    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics
    Given that the government has borrowed ~£400bn from itself (sorry, the 'independent' Bank of England) and paid that to a number of private companies, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the private sector is funding public spending. It contributes a portion.

    Unless you're minting your own 😉
    and will fund it in part by raising the corporation tax from 19 to 25% that's a raise of more than 25%. that's not just to pay for the furlough schemes and business interruption payments. one way or another government revenue will be used to pay for it.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 24,241
    Sorry, KG. Was trying to keep it lighthearted. 🙂
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    david37 said:



    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics

    No, it's my "Degree in Economics, Accountancy qualification and 30 years' public and private sector experience" understanding of Economics.


    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948

    Well this went as expected.

    Is there no "mute" option? Another forum that I use, there is an option for you to effectively ignore anything posted by certain users - you simply don't see them, but can still see the other discussion. Handy for those few who seem intent on causing offence.

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    secretsam said:

    david37 said:



    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics

    No, it's my "Degree in Economics, Accountancy qualification and 30 years' public and private sector experience" understanding of Economics.

    we've had enough of experts though.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    LIBERAL ELITE!!!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    elbowloh said:

    secretsam said:

    david37 said:



    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics

    No, it's my "Degree in Economics, Accountancy qualification and 30 years' public and private sector experience" understanding of Economics.

    we've had enough of experts though.
    I would never claim to be an "expert"!

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 5,735
    secretsam said:

    elbowloh said:

    secretsam said:

    david37 said:



    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics

    No, it's my "Degree in Economics, Accountancy qualification and 30 years' public and private sector experience" understanding of Economics.

    we've had enough of experts though.
    I would never claim to be an "expert"!
    Not denying the liberal elite moniker though ;)
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    morstar said:

    secretsam said:

    elbowloh said:

    secretsam said:

    david37 said:



    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics

    No, it's my "Degree in Economics, Accountancy qualification and 30 years' public and private sector experience" understanding of Economics.

    we've had enough of experts though.
    I would never claim to be an "expert"!
    Not denying the liberal elite moniker though ;)
    I'm very proud of my liberal elite status! B)

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • david37david37 Posts: 1,313
    secretsam said:

    morstar said:

    secretsam said:

    elbowloh said:

    secretsam said:

    david37 said:



    is that your salt of the earth working class understanding of economics

    No, it's my "Degree in Economics, Accountancy qualification and 30 years' public and private sector experience" understanding of Economics.

    we've had enough of experts though.
    I would never claim to be an "expert"!
    Not denying the liberal elite moniker though ;)
    I'm very proud of my liberal elite status! B)
    you seem very proud of yourself full stop. you sound very public sector though. xx
  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,948
    david37 said:



    you seem very proud of yourself full stop. you sound very public sector though. xx

    Shows how wrong you can be, then.


    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,832
    secretsam said:

    Well this went as expected.

    Is there no "mute" option? Another forum that I use, there is an option for you to effectively ignore anything posted by certain users - you simply don't see them, but can still see the other discussion. Handy for those few who seem intent on causing offence.
    There used to be, it disappeared when the forum was "upgraded" more's the pity.
  • david37david37 Posts: 1,313
    secretsam said:

    david37 said:



    you seem very proud of yourself full stop. you sound very public sector though. xx

    Shows how wrong you can be, then.

    You're not proud of yourself or I don't think you sound public sector?
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