End of Tour Grades and Team of the Tour
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Rider most tipped by Millar and Boulting to do something who ultimately did nothing - Cees Bol1
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One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
Final GC
11 Guillaume Martin (FRA) + 16' 58"
12 Alejandro Valverde (ESP). + 17' 41"
13 Richard Carapaz (ECU) + 25' 53"
14 Warren Barguil (FRA) + 31' 04"
15 Sepp Kuss (USA) + 42' 20"
16 Pello Bilbao (ESP) + 55' 56"
17 Nairo Quintana (COL) + 1h 03' 07"
18 Pierre Rolland (FRA) + 1h 08' 26"
19 Carlos Verona (ESP) + 1h 19' 54"
20 Wout van Aert (BEL) + 1h 20' 31"
21 Marc Soler (ESP) + 1h 31' 53"
22 Gorka Izagirre (ESP) + 1h 36' 12"
23 Esteban Chaves (COL) + 1h 38' 45"
24 Sébastien Reichenbach (SUI) + 1h 39' 27"
25 Kenny Elissonde (FRA) + 1h 40' 06"
Wowsers“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I take your Cees Bol and raise you Thomas de Gendt.ajkerr73 said:Rider most tipped by Millar and Boulting to do something who ultimately did nothing - Cees Bol
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Soler had a good go . And they were active in the pyraneesbobmcstuff said:If NTT deserve an F then Movistar at best an E. NTT were in the break a few times, I genuinely don't remember seeing Movistar do anything besides Mas name being mentioned a couple of times.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Nothing against TdG, by the way - he gave it a go a few days. The ratio of hype to achievement was way out of whack though - it wasn't his tour.Lanterne_Rogue said:
I take your Cees Bol and raise you Thomas de Gendt.ajkerr73 said:Rider most tipped by Millar and Boulting to do something who ultimately did nothing - Cees Bol
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Nah, this was a 5 glass tour. The best for a long time.1
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lettingthedaysgoby said:
Nah, this was a 5 glass tour. The best for a long time.
It was a Tour directed by M. Night Shyamalan. A big twist at the end overshadowing a fairly pedestrian script up to that point.Twitter: @RichN955 -
Something like that maybe.No_Ta_Doctor said:
I was actually wondering if a team points competition would work.Lanterne_Rogue said:Lots of people criticise the team competition (though nowhere near as many as ignore it totally), but I've not seen any suggestions to improve it. Any thoughts?
I think the main thing is you have to have a couple of teams really targeting it and therefore making some discernable difference to the race on account of it. So whatever they were to do needs to focus on encouraging teams to compete for it - the actual mechanics of the competition are only important insofar as they encourage that.0 -
Continued a fine tradition of the BR Pro Race forum calling the race too soon“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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They're supposed to be a big GC team though right.takethehighroad said:The team competition is big for Movistar as a company, as it means they can boast about it in corporate team building circles.
Sky did something similar when they won it a few years ago.
And also, 5th on GC ain't bad really, when you think about it0 -
Probably agree with that. 4 glasses seems fair. Some good stages for sure, but not a whole lot really on GC, until *that* stage.RichN95. said:lettingthedaysgoby said:Nah, this was a 5 glass tour. The best for a long time.
It was a Tour directed by M. Night Shyamalan. A big twist at the end overshadowing a fairly pedestrian script up to that point.
Sounds like I need to review the 2003 tour... before my time.0 -
2003 was kinda exciting but it never had the intricate tactics we are growing to appreciate I would down grade to 4 2019 and 2020 up graded to 4.5 . No one has 5 ... We need the rate the tour threadstailwindhome said:"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
EF were competing for it. They actually were leading after stage 14 but imploded on the Grand Colombier.bobmcstuff said:The team competition, like the green jersey competition, is only a competition if people are actually competing for it.
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They were, but then ditched Landa and Quintana and Valverde has finally realised his age.bobmcstuff said:
They're supposed to be a big GC team though right.takethehighroad said:The team competition is big for Movistar as a company, as it means they can boast about it in corporate team building circles.
Sky did something similar when they won it a few years ago.
And also, 5th on GC ain't bad really, when you think about it
They're an up and coming team of young/inexperienced GC riders who I would say competed above what they would see as par for the Tour0 -
They were supposed to be a big GC team, but this year?bobmcstuff said:
They're supposed to be a big GC team though right.takethehighroad said:The team competition is big for Movistar as a company, as it means they can boast about it in corporate team building circles.
Sky did something similar when they won it a few years ago.
And also, 5th on GC ain't bad really, when you think about it
The ancient one and the young one, desperately searching for some form............any form.
Despite them having 3 leaders for the past couple of editions, this was their best result since Valverde's podium, 5 years ago."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Hold on peeps, this isn't the rate the race poll thread (which doesn't exist yet).Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Eddy Merckx certainly not going to be giving Jumbo an "A" grade.
He thinks they rode a stupid race:
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/09/merckx-jumbo-visma-rode-stupidly-at-the-tour/"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
How should they have blown it up?
They already managed to get him behind in echelons, should they have worked for more of that?0 -
For one thing, maybe using Sep Kuss on the Grand Colombier? That seemed an own goal at the time, even more so nowkingstongraham said:How should they have blown it up?
They already managed to get him behind in echelons, should they have worked for more of that?0 -
Can you explain? My memory isn't great. He went to the front towards the very end didn't he, not looking like he was in any trouble and I don't think Pogacar was in danger of being distanced that day?takethehighroad said:
For one thing, maybe using Sep Kuss on the Grand Colombier? That seemed an own goal at the time, even more so nowkingstongraham said:How should they have blown it up?
They already managed to get him behind in echelons, should they have worked for more of that?0 -
You do wonder if that Pog ride up the Peyrsourde, which was what, fastest ever IIRC, put the frighteners on Jumbo and so they kept it together to stop it being man v man?1
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He mostly sat on Rog's wheel all the way up, then covered Lopez's move at the end. If he'd done the last 2k hard, the gap could've been more.kingstongraham said:
Can you explain? My memory isn't great. He went to the front towards the very end didn't he, not looking like he was in any trouble and I don't think Pogacar was in danger of being distanced that day?takethehighroad said:
For one thing, maybe using Sep Kuss on the Grand Colombier? That seemed an own goal at the time, even more so nowkingstongraham said:How should they have blown it up?
They already managed to get him behind in echelons, should they have worked for more of that?
Of course, this assumes that a) Pog would've been distanced and b) Rog had the legs (which I sort of suspect he might not have)0 -
If the other guy is stronger or as strong as your guy, the tactic of increasing tempo with Kuss or the cascade of WVA, Bennett, Kuss will never work. He can sit on just like your leader.
You need to make him work more than your leader. This can be done over the course of the race in crosswinds like Ineos do every chance they get and you must find a way to make the strong opponent chase.
In this case you needed to make Pogacar chase Dumoulin early in the race as a viable GC threat and then counter. Otherwise he is only doing what Roglic is doing. If he is stronger, he is then expending less energy than your leader in comparison.
Only exception is if you are much stronger in the ITT. Then you can stay on the same time and build the gap via ITT's. This is what Froome does against pure climbers. Froome however, is able to put in 1-2 huge attacks to distance the balanced GC threats. Roglic never did.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20231 -
Arkea undershot by a long way . They were never proactive . Just followed ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Totally agree and people did mention it at the time .m.r.m. said:If the other guy is stronger or as strong as your guy, the tactic of increasing tempo with Kuss or the cascade of WVA, Bennett, Kuss will never work. He can sit on just like your leader.
You need to make him work more than your leader. This can be done over the course of the race in crosswinds like Ineos do every chance they get and you must find a way to make the strong opponent chase.
In this case you needed to make Pogacar chase Dumoulin early in the race as a viable GC threat and then counter. Otherwise he is only doing what Roglic is doing. If he is stronger, he is then expending less energy than your leader in comparison.
Only exception is if you are much stronger in the ITT. Then you can stay on the same time and build the gap via ITT's. This is what Froome does against pure climbers. Froome however, is able to put in 1-2 huge attacks to distance the balanced GC threats. Roglic never did.
Jumbo needed dumoulin on GC for strategic reasons. just making the pace high so pogacar can come over the top.and drop everyone who mattered kinda eliminated himself from the equation. JV just thought they were too strong for everyone .
Did alaphillppe win the tour for pogacar that day ?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Should have been a warning what he could do in the TT in hindsight . But you felt he didn't have too many performances like that in him. It was too late to do anything else by the time he (pog) attacked ... They had eliminated dumoulin themselves who should have been attacking earlier in the race . After that all they could do was hold it together . Sending SEP kuss up the road was viable but super risky especially if you are in yellow or presumptive . Who would do that ... Super nerverick_chasey said:You do wonder if that Pog ride up the Peyrsourde, which was what, fastest ever IIRC, put the frighteners on Jumbo and so they kept it together to stop it being man v man?
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
The gravel day was a potential day for jumbo to have gone on a late offensive ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Was a shameDeadCalm said:
Bardet looked decent until he got concussion in the same crash that seemed to badly affect Quintana who was also looking good up to that point.RichN95. said:
AG2R: Peters got a stage win and Cosnesfroy had two weeks in the Dots. Bardet looked decent until he didn’t."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
