Tour de l’Ain and Critérium du Dauphiné 2020 *Spoilers*
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Cheers for the information He certainly sounded quite pleased with himself with the “form incoming”’tweet. Was it on here or twitter I read that Millar has suggested he’s using these domestique efforts as specific training. Kind of makes sense I guessRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Strong Ineos squad for Dauphine. Starting to think it might be that team plus Rowe0 -
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rick_chasey said:
He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchyRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)Twitter: @RichN950 -
robnewcastle said:
Cheers for the information He certainly sounded quite pleased with himself with the “form incoming”’tweet. Was it on here or twitter I read that Millar has suggested he’s using these domestique efforts as specific training. Kind of makes sense I guessRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Strong Ineos squad for Dauphine. Starting to think it might be that team plus Rowe
He's done these efforts before as training. Kerrison seems to think it's good for the form. Back in the 2012 Giro, they didn;t see a climb for two weeks so Kerrison encourage their GC guys Uran & Henao to get involved in Cavendish's lead out so they didn't lose too much formTwitter: @RichN950 -
My French got left behind in an 1980s GCSE exam hall, so what is Guillaume Martin saying here? He seems to be saying that it was Froome who caused all the damage on the first mountain
https://www.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/tour-de-l-ain/2020/video-tour-de-l-ain-guillaume-martin-cofidis-quand-c-est-froome-le-premier-equipier._vid1333990/video.shtmlTwitter: @RichN950 -
Haven't spoken French in the 8 years I've been in Thailand and it is hard to hear over the noise so mine is probably no better than yours but it seems to be "When Froome is the first team mate, you can imagine the carnage" .RichN95. said:My French got left behind in an 1980s GCSE exam hall, so what is Guillaume Martin saying here? He seems to be saying that it was Froome who caused all the damage on the first mountain
https://www.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/tour-de-l-ain/2020/video-tour-de-l-ain-guillaume-martin-cofidis-quand-c-est-froome-le-premier-equipier._vid1333990/video.shtml0 -
Bernal looks over trained, Froome under, I know which state I'd rather be in 5 weeks from the tour.
Roglic also coming in hot, I wonder if this GC win will make up for the inevitable plummet down the top 10 in the third week of the Tour?0 -
Mr Wiggins was saying on his podcast that they tend to divvy up the climbs for each person's effort so Froome went First, Gee Second and the Bernal FTW...
That could explain why Froome is going so early.
Of course, being Mr Wiggins it could easily just have been a thought that drifted through his mind at the time...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Mmmmm I dunno.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchyRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.0 -
I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.rick_chasey said:
Mmmmm I dunno.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchyRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.0 -
Were testers grounded over the past 6 months, was it "fill your boots" time?0
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I dont see ineos throwing the kitchen sink in to get froome back on terms if Bernal is thereabouts.robnewcastle said:
I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.rick_chasey said:
Mmmmm I dunno.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchyRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.0 -
I agree. Plus how would Froome “keep his powder dry” for later in the tour if he’s working for Bernal or Thomas on climbs? It’s not like he’d be able to save energy and avoid losing time. He’d have to be in mega form to be able to do that, like in 2012. Just can’t see it unless something like a crash/sickness changes team dynamics.darkhairedlord said:
I dont see ineos throwing the kitchen sink in to get froome back on terms if Bernal is thereabouts.robnewcastle said:
I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.rick_chasey said:
Mmmmm I dunno.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchyRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.0 -
I think Froome knows what he's doing. Even if he's only doing the teammate role now for training or to convince the team to take him to the Tour. He's a pretty calculating guy.
I agree it looks difficult/unlikely from here, though. But it could be interesting watching him try!1 -
I've really enjoyed the French races recently.
Ventoux was an exciting finish and it was nice to see Ineos getting worked over by Jumbo in L'Ain.
Will be interesting to see where they are all at during the Dauphine.0 -
Since when is 10th of August five weeks from the tour?50x11 said:Bernal looks over trained, Froome under, I know which state I'd rather be in 5 weeks from the tour.
Roglic also coming in hot, I wonder if this GC win will make up for the inevitable plummet down the top 10 in the third week of the Tour?
There is a Mountain top finish on 1st Sept
And this Roglic bashing re peaking in the pre Tour events is pure Sky/Ineos methodology - go back and look at the Tour of Romandie and Dauphine winners over the last 10 years
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It will depend to an extent on how Lotto play things, because if they put all their eggs behind Roglic then that's a very different proposition to spreading their focus across Dumoulin, Kraswijk et al as well until the 'road decides'. If those two are super domestiques then it's going to be hard for Ineos to let Froome and Thomas ride themselves into form.robnewcastle said:
I agree. Plus how would Froome “keep his powder dry” for later in the tour if he’s working for Bernal or Thomas on climbs? It’s not like he’d be able to save energy and avoid losing time. He’d have to be in mega form to be able to do that, like in 2012. Just can’t see it unless something like a crash/sickness changes team dynamics.darkhairedlord said:
I dont see ineos throwing the kitchen sink in to get froome back on terms if Bernal is thereabouts.robnewcastle said:
I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.rick_chasey said:
Mmmmm I dunno.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchyRichN95. said:When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour
Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.
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I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.1
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Indeed. Shouldn't there be a pre-Tour discussion thread by now? Or do we need to wait for the Dauphine to finish?josame said:
Since when is 10th of August five weeks from the tour?50x11 said:Bernal looks over trained, Froome under, I know which state I'd rather be in 5 weeks from the tour.
Roglic also coming in hot, I wonder if this GC win will make up for the inevitable plummet down the top 10 in the third week of the Tour?
There is a Mountain top finish on 1st Sept
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What riding would the guys usually be doing 3 weeks from the tour?"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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Tour of Switzerland or the Route du Sud.gsk82 said:What riding would the guys usually be doing 3 weeks from the tour?
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.kingstongraham said:I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.
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phreak said:
Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.kingstongraham said:I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.
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The nadir of their abilities I'd say.RichN95. said:phreak said:
Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.kingstongraham said:I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.
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But maybe a green belkin jersey would look better with their current bike colour...?
Anyhow, the basic loop that forms stage 5 of the CdD is a fantastic day ride for us mortals. I have done it a couple of times (with a two year gap between!)
And i didnt see Stevo or Bennett contribute much on that last stage power train at Ain. Tom is back.Half man, Half bike0 -
WordPerfect for meRichN95. said:phreak said:
Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.kingstongraham said:I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.
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It was better. It's probably for the best that they don't try and have half celeste, half yellow like they did with the Belkin green.ridgerider said:But maybe a green belkin jersey would look better with their current bike colour...?
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Nout wrong with yellow with bianche greenkingstongraham said:
It was better. It's probably for the best that they don't try and have half celeste, half yellow like they did with the Belkin green.ridgerider said:But maybe a green belkin jersey would look better with their current bike colour...?
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They better take him, because I can see a non-Ineos rider winning the tour this year (Jumbo-Visma).bobmcstuff said:I think Froome knows what he's doing. Even if he's only doing the teammate role now for training or to convince the team to take him to the Tour. He's a pretty calculating guy.
I agree it looks difficult/unlikely from here, though. But it could be interesting watching him try!
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