Tour de l’Ain and Critérium du Dauphiné 2020 *Spoilers*

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  • robnewcastle
    robnewcastle Posts: 241
    edited August 2020
    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    Cheers for the information He certainly sounded quite pleased with himself with the “form incoming”’tweet. Was it on here or twitter I read that Millar has suggested he’s using these domestique efforts as specific training. Kind of makes sense I guess

    Strong Ineos squad for Dauphine. Starting to think it might be that team plus Rowe
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,615
    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchy
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150

    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchy

    Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150

    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    Cheers for the information He certainly sounded quite pleased with himself with the “form incoming”’tweet. Was it on here or twitter I read that Millar has suggested he’s using these domestique efforts as specific training. Kind of makes sense I guess

    Strong Ineos squad for Dauphine. Starting to think it might be that team plus Rowe

    He's done these efforts before as training. Kerrison seems to think it's good for the form. Back in the 2012 Giro, they didn;t see a climb for two weeks so Kerrison encourage their GC guys Uran & Henao to get involved in Cavendish's lead out so they didn't lose too much form
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
    My French got left behind in an 1980s GCSE exam hall, so what is Guillaume Martin saying here? He seems to be saying that it was Froome who caused all the damage on the first mountain

    https://www.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/tour-de-l-ain/2020/video-tour-de-l-ain-guillaume-martin-cofidis-quand-c-est-froome-le-premier-equipier._vid1333990/video.shtml
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,099
    RichN95. said:

    My French got left behind in an 1980s GCSE exam hall, so what is Guillaume Martin saying here? He seems to be saying that it was Froome who caused all the damage on the first mountain

    https://www.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/tour-de-l-ain/2020/video-tour-de-l-ain-guillaume-martin-cofidis-quand-c-est-froome-le-premier-equipier._vid1333990/video.shtml

    Haven't spoken French in the 8 years I've been in Thailand and it is hard to hear over the noise so mine is probably no better than yours but it seems to be "When Froome is the first team mate, you can imagine the carnage" .
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  • 50x11
    50x11 Posts: 408
    Bernal looks over trained, Froome under, I know which state I'd rather be in 5 weeks from the tour.

    Roglic also coming in hot, I wonder if this GC win will make up for the inevitable plummet down the top 10 in the third week of the Tour?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,388
    edited August 2020
    Mr Wiggins was saying on his podcast that they tend to divvy up the climbs for each person's effort so Froome went First, Gee Second and the Bernal FTW...

    That could explain why Froome is going so early.

    Of course, being Mr Wiggins it could easily just have been a thought that drifted through his mind at the time...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,615
    RichN95. said:

    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchy

    Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
    Mmmmm I dunno.

    It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.
  • RichN95. said:

    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchy

    Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
    Mmmmm I dunno.

    It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.
    I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
    I've got to say this is one of the strongest non-WT line ups I've seen for a while


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  • Were testers grounded over the past 6 months, was it "fill your boots" time?
  • RichN95. said:

    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchy

    Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
    Mmmmm I dunno.

    It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.
    I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.
    I dont see ineos throwing the kitchen sink in to get froome back on terms if Bernal is thereabouts.
  • robnewcastle
    robnewcastle Posts: 241
    edited August 2020

    RichN95. said:

    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchy

    Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
    Mmmmm I dunno.

    It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.
    I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.
    I dont see ineos throwing the kitchen sink in to get froome back on terms if Bernal is thereabouts.
    I agree. Plus how would Froome “keep his powder dry” for later in the tour if he’s working for Bernal or Thomas on climbs? It’s not like he’d be able to save energy and avoid losing time. He’d have to be in mega form to be able to do that, like in 2012. Just can’t see it unless something like a crash/sickness changes team dynamics.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    I think Froome knows what he's doing. Even if he's only doing the teammate role now for training or to convince the team to take him to the Tour. He's a pretty calculating guy.

    I agree it looks difficult/unlikely from here, though. But it could be interesting watching him try!
  • I've really enjoyed the French races recently.

    Ventoux was an exciting finish and it was nice to see Ineos getting worked over by Jumbo in L'Ain.

    Will be interesting to see where they are all at during the Dauphine.
  • josame
    josame Posts: 1,141
    edited August 2020
    50x11 said:

    Bernal looks over trained, Froome under, I know which state I'd rather be in 5 weeks from the tour.

    Roglic also coming in hot, I wonder if this GC win will make up for the inevitable plummet down the top 10 in the third week of the Tour?

    Since when is 10th of August five weeks from the tour?
    There is a Mountain top finish on 1st Sept :/
    And this Roglic bashing re peaking in the pre Tour events is pure Sky/Ineos methodology - go back and look at the Tour of Romandie and Dauphine winners over the last 10 years
    #lazy
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905

    RichN95. said:

    RichN95. said:

    When he came second in the Vuelta TT in 2011 he did 400W for an hour as well. So he's got work to do to become a contender, but they're good enough that you'd take him to the Tour

    He'll be disappointed the first week is so punchy

    Indeed. Although not enough to put him out of contention if close to top form (whatever that is now)
    Mmmmm I dunno.

    It's a weird Tour. Unusually early high stuff right off the bat almost, and the first week generally is pretty lumpy, a quiet mainly flat second week and then the usual tough final week.
    I actually think Froome (if he goes) might shed time early on too, get caught out or whatnot. If he avoids that and builds into the race week 3 could be really interesting.
    I dont see ineos throwing the kitchen sink in to get froome back on terms if Bernal is thereabouts.
    I agree. Plus how would Froome “keep his powder dry” for later in the tour if he’s working for Bernal or Thomas on climbs? It’s not like he’d be able to save energy and avoid losing time. He’d have to be in mega form to be able to do that, like in 2012. Just can’t see it unless something like a crash/sickness changes team dynamics.
    It will depend to an extent on how Lotto play things, because if they put all their eggs behind Roglic then that's a very different proposition to spreading their focus across Dumoulin, Kraswijk et al as well until the 'road decides'. If those two are super domestiques then it's going to be hard for Ineos to let Froome and Thomas ride themselves into form.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,231
    I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,099
    josame said:

    50x11 said:

    Bernal looks over trained, Froome under, I know which state I'd rather be in 5 weeks from the tour.

    Roglic also coming in hot, I wonder if this GC win will make up for the inevitable plummet down the top 10 in the third week of the Tour?

    Since when is 10th of August five weeks from the tour?
    There is a Mountain top finish on 1st Sept :/
    Indeed. Shouldn't there be a pre-Tour discussion thread by now? Or do we need to wait for the Dauphine to finish?

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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,467
    What riding would the guys usually be doing 3 weeks from the tour?
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  • gsk82 said:

    What riding would the guys usually be doing 3 weeks from the tour?

    Tour of Switzerland or the Route du Sud.
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905

    I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.

    Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
    edited August 2020
    phreak said:

    I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.

    Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.

    They'll always be Belkin to me ;)
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,615
    RichN95. said:

    phreak said:

    I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.

    Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.

    They'll always be Belkin to me ;)
    The nadir of their abilities I'd say.
  • ridgerider
    ridgerider Posts: 2,851
    But maybe a green belkin jersey would look better with their current bike colour...?

    Anyhow, the basic loop that forms stage 5 of the CdD is a fantastic day ride for us mortals. I have done it a couple of times (with a two year gap between!)

    And i didnt see Stevo or Bennett contribute much on that last stage power train at Ain. Tom is back.
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  • RichN95. said:

    phreak said:

    I think it's time to stop referring to Jumbo Visma as "Lotto" now.

    Takes a concerted effort to not call them Rabobank.

    They'll always be Belkin to me ;)
    WordPerfect for me :)
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,231

    But maybe a green belkin jersey would look better with their current bike colour...?

    It was better. It's probably for the best that they don't try and have half celeste, half yellow like they did with the Belkin green.


  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,615

    But maybe a green belkin jersey would look better with their current bike colour...?

    It was better. It's probably for the best that they don't try and have half celeste, half yellow like they did with the Belkin green.


    Nout wrong with yellow with bianche green




  • zest28
    zest28 Posts: 403

    I think Froome knows what he's doing. Even if he's only doing the teammate role now for training or to convince the team to take him to the Tour. He's a pretty calculating guy.

    I agree it looks difficult/unlikely from here, though. But it could be interesting watching him try!

    They better take him, because I can see a non-Ineos rider winning the tour this year (Jumbo-Visma).