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A bit lost for words, that footage is truly horrific.
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  • Every window blown in within a 15 mile radius. Unfortunately I think the death toll is going to rise a lot more than the 100 reported now.

    The fact that the blast has been recorded from so many sources probably makes it more real.
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,857
    Certainly frightening. Even their sworn enemy have offered assistance. It's been suggested it was weed killer. Agree with coopster, many more will be found yet.
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  • step83step83 Posts: 4,016
    Thats what 2750 tonnes of Ammonium Nitrate stored for seven years does when it ignites.
    It was seized when the m/s Rhosus flying the Moldovian flag was forced into port after engine problems from what I gather it had no documentation for its cargo.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 7,552
    oxoman said:

    Certainly frightening. Even their sworn enemy have offered assistance. It's been suggested it was weed killer. Agree with coopster, many more will be found yet.

    Fertiliser. Has happened before, many times. E.g. Texas in 1947. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster

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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 13,879
    step83 said:

    Thats what 2750 tonnes of Ammonium Nitrate stored for seven years does when it ignites.
    It was seized when the m/s Rhosus flying the Moldovian flag was forced into port after engine problems from what I gather it had no documentation for its cargo.

    Looks like they offloaded it after two years into storage, and it sat there for 5 years, literally an accident waiting to happen. Everything about this is terrible.
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 3,896
    Shame that it is so predictable.

    I guess all that pesky red tape and H&S gone mad serves some sort of purpose after all then.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,057
    Lots of 'popping and banging' and 'fireworks' seen and heard on video before the big bang went off. Anyone care to speculate on what that might have been..?
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 13,879

    Lots of 'popping and banging' and 'fireworks' seen and heard on video before the big bang went off. Anyone care to speculate on what that might have been..?

    Yes, plenty of people.
  • Everything from tragic accident involving embargoed cargo, to mossad sabotage of bomb making factory.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,057

    Lots of 'popping and banging' and 'fireworks' seen and heard on video before the big bang went off. Anyone care to speculate on what that might have been..?

    Yes, plenty of people.
    Thanks for your contribution...
  • pottsstevepottssteve Posts: 4,043
    Am I right in thinking that the huge white cloud produced is caused by air being compressed so suddenly that it liquifies? Amazing.
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  • From the commentary and photos of the creator, the huge grain store next the explosion and the sea provided a barrier/cushion which meant less lives were lost and less damage done to the city.
  • me-109me-109 Posts: 1,369

    Am I right in thinking that the huge white cloud produced is caused by air being compressed so suddenly that it liquifies? Amazing.

    I'd imagine a big 'chunk' of that white cloud is a result of the sea being chucked up by the blast wave and/or vaporized by the heat and speed of the big bang.

    Quite possibly just the result of a genuine accidental fire in the vicinity, but there's sure to be plenty of anti-Israeli / anti-West chatter as to the source.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 44,029
    Apparently there was a large shipment of fireworks stored next to the ammonium nitrate, which was probably not the best idea and could explain the popping and banging reported before the big explosion:
    https://nextbigfuture.com/2020/08/beirut-explosion-was-2750-tons-of-ammonium-nitrate.html

    Estimates have put the explosion at around 2 kilotons of TNT equivalent. To put into perpsective, the A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima was around 15 kt.
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    Am I right in thinking that the huge white cloud produced is caused by air being compressed so suddenly that it liquifies? Amazing.

    Nope. The white cloud is just water vapour condensing into a cloud due to the low pressure region behind the shockwave.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 21,150
    edited August 2020


    (posted to illustrate scale of the tragedy rather than as a comment on online accuracy...)
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  • ProssPross Posts: 25,462
    Just saw the footage of the explosion for the first time. Awesome, in the true sense of the word, and terrifying.

    When you see Hollywood explosions the good guys manage to outrun the shockwave before getting gently knocked off their feet by the very edges of it. The reality in this case was that people recording the fire from a long distance were knocked off their feet virtually instantaneously. If the death toll doesn't end up much higher I can only assume it is due to the immediate area being sparsely populated.

    It's going to be a further long term disaster with the port being wiped out when the economy was already tanking and with the vast majority of the country's food being brought in through the port.
  • thecycleclinicthecycleclinic Posts: 394
    edited August 2020
    The blast and deaths are bad enough but lebanons main port is destroyed. All the goods, medicines and food there is gone. The docks facilities are gone. Ships cant unload. New goods, food and drugs cant get into the country easily. Lebonon does not have much cross boarder trade over it lands boarders. Its exports go through the port. Without being able to import and export the people of lebonon are even more screwed then they were before. That will kill more than 100 people.

    Lebanon is going to need alot of help. I have not heard britain and europe getting together and sending a team of military engineers and the equipment required to get the port open. Without that port you cant even get aid in. That port is the key to everything there. Its in our interest to help. Lebanon is failing state. We know what happened when Libya fell apart.

    Its worse than censored .
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  • zest28zest28 Posts: 317
    edited August 2020
    Who the hell stores fireworks next to Ammonium Nitrate in the capital city? What could possibly go wrong in case of a fire? xD

    I am wondering if other ports in the world also have similar geniuses at work? Perhaps governments should inspect what ports are storing and potentially introduce new legislations to prevent geniuses from doing stuff like this.
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,857
    Recent news states EU is sending assistance and even there enemies Israel has offered humanitarian aid such is the devastation.
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • Emergency aid though. They need more than that. They need a port. Lebanon has 1month supply of grain and no way of bringing in more until they can dock ships again.

    Also a cruise ship was knocked on its side. The death toll is more than 100 unless that is the one bit of luck here.
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  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,857
    Hopefully they will grow out of this as they recover and peace will prevail. Maybe something good will come out of something bad.
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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,703
    ... what a great example of the relevance of Frost diagrams in understanding chemical stability

  • ProssPross Posts: 25,462
    zest28 said:

    Who the hell stores fireworks next to Ammonium Nitrate in the capital city? What could possibly go wrong in case of a fire? xD

    I am wondering if other ports in the world also have similar geniuses at work? Perhaps governments should inspect what ports are storing and potentially introduce new legislations to prevent geniuses from doing stuff like this.

    Well that will be why port officials are under house arrest but yes, it sounds like a everyone knew it was there but didn't bother checking storage conditions were appropriate.
  • capt_slogcapt_slog Posts: 3,446

    ... what a great example of the relevance of Frost diagrams in understanding chemical stability

    Can you explain what that means please, Ugo? My chemistry education stopped at HNC a long while ago, and I don't recall having heard of Frost.


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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 21,150
    edited August 2020
    I'm assuming that nE°N is a measure of how big a bang it makes, and - I'm only at the first castle on Duolingo for Italian mind - the bottom axis is how much air it has had...
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 11,843
    edited August 2020

    The blast and deaths are bad enough but lebanons main port is destroyed. All the goods, medicines and food there is gone. The docks facilities are gone. Ships cant unload. New goods, food and drugs cant get into the country easily. Lebonon does not have much cross boarder trade over it lands boarders. Its exports go through the port. Without being able to import and export the people of lebonon are even more screwed then they were before. That will kill more than 100 people.

    Lebanon is going to need alot of help. I have not heard britain and europe getting together and sending a team of military engineers and the equipment required to get the port open. Without that port you cant even get aid in. That port is the key to everything there. Its in our interest to help. Lebanon is failing state. We know what happened when Libya fell apart.

    Its worse than censored .

    Uk's offer which includes

    The UK has also offered enhanced support to the Lebanese Armed Forces, who are central to the Government of Lebanon’s response, including tailored medical help, strategic air transport assistance, and engineering and communications support.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-send-emergency-relief-to-lebanon

    Finally, Tripoli has a port too

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Tripoli_(Lebanon)

    And whilst I have been to Tripoli, I can't tell you anything about it.

    If Lebanon ever returns to a peaceful times, a trip there is thoroughly recommended.
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 8,188
    capt_slog said:

    ... what a great example of the relevance of Frost diagrams in understanding chemical stability

    Can you explain what that means please, Ugo? My chemistry education stopped at HNC a long while ago, and I don't recall having heard of Frost.
    Mine stopped at GCSE and I struggled at that!

    An explanation would be great and really appreciated, @ugo.santalucia :smile:
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