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Do team Ineos riders crash more often?

zest28zest28 Posts: 403
edited February 2020 in Pro race
Last year Egan crashed and had to change his plans. Lucky for him it lead to winning Tour de France.

Geriant also crashed last year and had to change his race preparation for the Tour de France.

Froome also crashed and was out for the rest of the season.

And now Egan crashed at 70kph.

Does anyone have statistics if Team Sky / Ineos riders crash more often?
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  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,437
    All riders crash.
    Riders change teams pretty often. Do you think that riders suddenly stop crashing when they put another jersey on ?
  • zest28zest28 Posts: 403
    I do not remember Lance Armstrong missing a Tour de France due to a crash though?
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,437
    That's one rider. Plenty of others have crashed out.
  • sherersherer Posts: 2,460
    zest28 said:

    I do not remember Lance Armstrong missing a Tour de France due to a crash though?

    he broke his collarbone on the comeback though. Plus he did fall off a few times too.

    No they dont crash any more than any other team
  • jollygiantjollygiant Posts: 117
    It's only because it's reported more as it is most prominent team and even people who are cycling fans have heard of the them.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 70,688 Lives Here
    For questions like this, you either have the stats or you don't.

    That aside, I'll try and answer your question without the stats.

    I would hazard a guess that you tend to see their crashes more often because a) they're a higher profile team (doubly so because you're anglo and they're an anglo team, so they get 10x the coverage any non-english speaking teams get) and b) because of the way they tend to race, which is usually on or near the front of any peloton, they tend to crash in front of the cameras.

    No-one tends to remember if the 1km to go lead out man from cofidis crashes at 80km to go.
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  • LongshotLongshot Posts: 940
    zest28 said:

    I do not remember Lance Armstrong missing a Tour de France due to a crash though?

    He was on anti-crash drugs.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 70,688 Lives Here
    zest28 said:

    I do not remember Lance Armstrong missing a Tour de France due to a crash though?

    Helps that he only really raced the Dauphine beforehand, and usually at a level so much higher than everyone else that he very rarely had a rider either side of him who wasn't USP.
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  • hanshotfirsthanshotfirst Posts: 358
    No bike riders ever crash apart from Ineos/Sky riders. This is known fact.

    Nobody.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112
    edited February 2020
    I notice both Bernal and Sosa crashed in the Colombian nationals on fast right hand bends. Whether this is ropey technique or substandard tyres, or even just bad luck who knows. But others got around at pace just fine.
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  • redvisionredvision Posts: 2,958
    Wasn't there an article last year which reported numerous (older) riders complaining that the pro peloton has become far more dangerous today with the style of younger riders and the tactics which has developed in teams?

  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 70,688 Lives Here
    redvision said:

    Wasn't there an article last year which reported numerous (older) riders complaining that the pro peloton has become far more dangerous today with the style of younger riders and the tactics which has developed in teams?

    I think this article has been published every year since about 1920.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 70,688 Lives Here
    RichN95. said:

    I notice both Bernal and Sosa crashed in the Colombian nationals on fast right hand bends. Whether this is ropey technique or substandard tyres, or even just bad luck who knows. But others got around at pace just fine.

    There was a period where jumbo riders were falling off all over the place which they later put down to a terrible tyre choice.

    There was also a Paris Nice crash of Thomas that they later put down to riding on the wrong pressures.
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  • joeyhalloranjoeyhalloran Posts: 1,063
    It's cos Team Ineos don't use disc brakes >:)
  • focuszing723focuszing723 Posts: 7,004
    Perhaps Sky/Ineos riders minds are so consumed by science, their reaction time is slowed. Eisenstein used to crash his bike all the time with all that math censored in his head!
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 3,398
    RichN95. said:

    I notice both Bernal and Sosa crashed in the Colombian nationals on fast right hand bends. Whether this is ropey technique or substandard tyres, or even just bad luck who knows. But others got around at pace just fine.

    They only ever learnt to turn left because of their background on the UK criterium scene
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  • Lanterne_RogueLanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    Often? Often?

    Give Michael Rasmussen a time trial bike and then come back to me about 'often'.


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  • andypandyp Posts: 9,999
    focuszing723 said:

    Eisenstein used to crash his bike all the time with all that math censored in his head!



    That's not maths.

  • asprillaasprilla Posts: 8,440
    You actually believe Egan Bernal crashed and broke his collar bone last year before returning to win the TDF? I don't, not for a second.

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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112
    edited February 2020
    asprilla said:

    You actually believe Egan Bernal crashed and broke his collar bone last year before returning to win the TDF? I don't, not for a second.

    Yes. To believe any other scenario would require a level of daftness that I am not capable of.
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  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,437
    asprilla said:

    You actually believe Egan Bernal crashed and broke his collar bone last year before returning to win the TDF? I don't, not for a second.

    Why ??

    What's your scenario ?

    And what about Steve Cummings.
    Broke more than that in 2017 and came back to take the national RR and TT championship.

    You can train very effectively without actual racing.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 19,937
    Hayman clearly didn't break his arm before that P-R either.

    I'm not sure whether Ineos riders crash more, but when they do crash there is more chat about it on this forum.
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 3,398
    Nor did Contador have his leg amputated after crashing in the 2014 tour.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112
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  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 11,178
    asprilla said:

    You actually believe Egan Bernal crashed and broke his collar bone last year before returning to win the TDF? I don't, not for a second.

    Where did I leave my tinfoil hat?
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 16,460
    TheBigBean said:


    I'm not sure whether Ineos riders crash more, but when they do crash there is more chat about it on this forum.

    this froome and geriant are above average crashy riders i would say but plenty of them in other teams

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  • ProssPross Posts: 39,278
    Anyone remember Euskaltel Euskadi?
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,437
    I have fond memories of their riders scrambling out of ditches all over Europe. The good old days.
  • Charlie_CrokerCharlie_Croker Posts: 1,660
    Pross said:

    Anyone remember Euskaltel Euskadi?

    Are you trying to say something LOL     Great team
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112
    Charlie_Croker said:

    Pross said:

    Anyone remember Euskaltel Euskadi?

    Are you trying to say something LOL     Great team

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