Should Mark Cavendish swallow his pride and retire?
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Controversial - Root was #1 ranked Test batter at the time the list was released (now #2 behind Brook, although I assume that will have changed again. edit: on reading subsequent posts it indeed has). And he's just taken the record for most runs by an England player. He's got a strong claim to be the best batter in Tests at the moment given his performance over a number of years - although of course there is no gold medal etc.. edit: I do agree that his are more lifetime achievement type things, as the record for most test runs is built up over a career etc.. On the other hand if he goes and scores a bunch of test tons in Australia next year and wins us the Ashes (we can dream), then that would definitely be a big achievement.
In an Olympic year anyone else is going to be struggling aren't they - especially as Hodgkinson's achievement was pretty remarkable. I think to get a cyclist to win, you'd need e.g., Pidcock in there this year because of the Olympic medal. But it's only really track medals that seem to have much cut through.
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I thought Paris deserved a mention too. But I guess trail ultras don't really have much cut through with the general public. And again, in an Olympic year - Duplantis got a lot of coverage.
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Broad would have been a bold choice this year.
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I don't even know who she is🤷
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I don't understand why they thought some footballer talking to a camera was an appropriate tribute for Cavendish.
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First ever woman to finish the Barkley marathons. It's a bit niche but a massive achievement, only 20 people have completed it since it started in its current form in 1995. In over half the years it has been run no-one has finished (it has around 35-40 entrants). Certainly worthy of a mention.
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I'm still not convinced Duplantis's Olympic achievement surpasses that of Hassan's and I don't think she was even a nominee. It feels like a massive oversight.
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BBC Sport's coverage is celebrity driven, to it's detriment.
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Leon Marchant and The Poginator would have been worthy winners
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Hassan was World Athletics' female overall athlete of the year, picked from the winners of the sub-categories track (McLaughlin) , field (Mahuchikh) and "out of stadium" (herself).
Mondo was "only" the male field athlete of the year. Tebogo (200m champ in Paris) won overall for the guys.
As Seb Coe is in charge of World Athletics, these decisions are likely to be fairly rational, so the BBC picking Mondo over Hassan does feel a bit odd. For Hassan to be overall female athlete of the year over the incomparably unbelievably better than everyone else McLaughlin show just how highly she's rated by those that know their athletics.
No disrespect to Mondo. All the individual winners are fantastic.
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No - and I don't really know anything about athletics - but Duplantis got a lot of coverage during the Olympics so once he made it onto the nominees for the vote, he was always likely to win (IMO). The average punter voting probably saw a lot more of Duplantis during the Olympics and knows about as much as I do about athletics. I actually voted (as you could do it on the BBC Sport app just by pressing a button) and I voted for Duplantis... I didn't really give it any thought to be honest, I just remembered his jumps and the coverage around that.
To be fair, he does seem to have some "personality" and charisma, which is one reason he got so much coverage at the time.
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I hadn't even realised you could vote for the international award, I always thought it was chosen by a panel. That probably does help explain it, I'd initially thought Hassan hadn't even made the shortlist (the first list I saw must have been incomplete). Pog should have been on there really but I doubt he'll be too bothered by his omission. Caitlin Clarke seems a very strange choice to have on the list, granted I know very little about basketball these days and nothing about the women's game but the cynic in me thinks it is more to do with her social media profile.
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It is nothing more than a popularity contest. Average person on the street doesn't know who Pog is.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
And if they do then they likely assume he's a drugs cheat because "all cyclists!" etc.
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Are you sure you're not mixing up Broad and Stokes now?
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So in that context Caitlin Clarke makes more sense.
It is called "Sports Personality" not "Best Sportsperson", not that the definition seems to mean a lot.
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I think the viewership of WNBA in the UK is probably a lot more niche that The Tour even.
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"Personality" in this context just means "celebrity or famous person"
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Yes stokes is the ginger one...
Broad is the one that swaps the bails over right?
(I think Caitlin Clark's acheivements are pretty significant within the niche sporting context she sits in. Cyclists can't complain too much about niches mind...)
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I don't know anything about basketball, so I'm sure she's going to be great. But this year she played her first professional game in May, didn't go to the Olympics and her team was knocked out in the first round of the playoffs in their national league. It's not exactly up there with the multiple Olympic gold medal winners, is it?
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I'm surprised the American woman who just joined Bristol rugby wasn't nominated.
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You still appear to be under the illusion that results are the deciding factor in this popularity contest.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
I don't know why she was on the list of options.
No need to get snarky, I was replying to a claim that her achievements were pretty significant.
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Sorry if I came across as snarky. I'm just bored of this meaningless charade put on by the BBC.
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At the time of writing, Root wasn't even the best English batter never mind the world, and he's never scored a century in Australia which marks him by some as being a flat track bully.
The total career runs thing lends itself to him getting a lifetime award when he hangs up his gloves.
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I mean I'm no expert but she has exploded onto the WNBA and shaken it to its core in her rookie season (to the point where I've heard about it!!!). As an impact on a sport I can't really think of a bigger one this year
(That Spanish kickball kid possibly)
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Broad did indeed swap the bails over and cause a batting collapse for the Aussies. But that was last year, and he promptly swallowed his pride etc.
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I'm glad he'll be around in sport . does a good interview
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