TDF 2019: Stage 11, Albi > Toulouse 17/07/2019 - 167 km *Spoilers*

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited July 2019
    The wind, while cross-tail, is only 12kph which is not enough according to the Naesen Echelon Guidelines*


    *According to Oliver Naesen the wind speed needed for echelons is
    25-30kph in the Tour
    20kph in a Belgium
    15kph in Qatar
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:
    Great helo-pass over Cordes-sur-Ciel there (amazing medieval bastide, if you're ever in the area).

    cordes-sur-ciel.jpg

    A lot of the stage is exposed to that tail/crosswind, but the last 30kms it's into their chops.
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  • KnightOfTheLongTights
    KnightOfTheLongTights Posts: 1,415
    RichN95 wrote:
    The wind, while cross-tail, is only 12kph which is not enough according to the Naesen Echelon Guidelines*


    *According to Oliver Naesen the wind speed needed for echelons is
    20-30kph in the Tour
    20kph in a Belgium
    15kph in Qatar

    and what direction is preferable, for forming them - a 90-degree cross-wind or a cross-headwind?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    The wind, while cross-tail, is only 12kph which is not enough according to the Naesen Echelon Guidelines*


    *According to Oliver Naesen the wind speed needed for echelons is
    20-30kph in the Tour
    20kph in a Belgium
    15kph in Qatar

    and what direction is preferable, for forming them - a 90-degree cross-wind or a cross-headwind?

    Cross tail
  • KnightOfTheLongTights
    KnightOfTheLongTights Posts: 1,415
    ah really, why's that?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Ad breaks I know, so this place is just being passed.

    Penne.JPG
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  • KnightOfTheLongTights
    KnightOfTheLongTights Posts: 1,415
    nice pics Blazing, cheers (many fond memories of touring this area - Lot / Aveyron / Tarn / Auvergne)
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:
    ah really, why's that?

    Higher speeds of the peloton increases the relative wind speed.
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  • KnightOfTheLongTights
    KnightOfTheLongTights Posts: 1,415
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:
    ah really, why's that?

    Higher speeds of the peloton increases the relative wind speed.

    OK in the same way that any breakaway tends to benefit from a tailwind more than the chasing peloton?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,718
    Hmmm, depends how you're measuring it though. Is it Cross/tail relative to the road (true wind direction) or to the rider moving at 50kph (apparent wind).

    If it's true wind direction then the apparent wind direction would move forward making the apparent wind direction closer to perpendicular to the riders velocity and so even more of a cross wind.

    (done a bit of sailing)
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    These chips are going to have to be chucked out now.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Both Pippa York and Brian Smith discussing the Bennett debacle and expressing completely opposite viewpoints.
    According to York no problem losing the time as in the mountains he's be expected to be on the front. (Ineos?)
    Smith reckons it was a complete waste of another card to play.
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  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    yorks right there. Bennetts good, but won't be there at the end of any of the tough stages.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Brian's point was if you have someone who is fourth in the GC they have to be covered by the other teams riders (zapping their energy).
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Monster Carp, now there's a TV show I didn't know I needed in my life.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • -Dash
    -Dash Posts: 179
    Any idea what they use for onboard footage and what activates it? Surely they aren't carrying enough battery power for a full stage.
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    Don't they just wire it into the battery for the motor in the seat post ;-) ?
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    -Dash wrote:
    Any idea what they use for onboard footage and what activates it? Surely they aren't carrying enough battery power for a full stage.

    With the UCI limit they could probably use a pretty high mAh capacity li-ion battery.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    larkim wrote:
    Don't they just wire it into the battery for the motor in the seat post ;-) ?

    That would be a cracking story if it came out it was used at any point in a GT.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    653x434.jpg?rand=546477063

    That is massive mind.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    I was just thinking, Maxime Monfort, he must be old now, he's been around for ages, went to google and learned he was in fact younger than me...
    Correlation is not causation.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    FocusZing wrote:
    653x434.jpg?rand=546477063

    That is massive mind.

    We're going to have to have daily fish as well as horses and cows now aren't we?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,127
    KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:
    Great helo-pass over Cordes-sur-Ciel there (amazing medieval bastide, if you're ever in the area).

    The big problem is it is in the middle of ****ing nowhere.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    It's one of those stages...

    massive-fish-caught-on-a-lake-43063824.png
    Correlation is not causation.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Above The Cows wrote:

    We're going to have to have daily fish as well as horses and cows now aren't we?

    The well know old Trout of Toulouse.

    early-season-trout.jpg
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Blimey that Chateaux there with a large crystal clear pool. To go back to that after messin about with a load of carp.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The well know old Trout of Toulouse.

    I thought you were going somewhere else then...

    A dangerous marine species.

    lead_720_405.jpg?mod=1533691927
    Correlation is not causation.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Above The Cows wrote:
    It's one of those stages...

    massive-fish-caught-on-a-lake-43063824.png

    What the hell is that!?
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    FocusZing wrote:
    What the hell is that!?

    Someone messing about with photoshop and a plastic action man.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    FocusZing wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    It's one of those stages...

    massive-fish-caught-on-a-lake-43063824.png

    What the hell is that!?

    Action Man next to a trout

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