This years Advanced 1 or last year's Advanced 0?

Ben6899

scotthunter wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

bristolpete wrote:

Not just about weight. Those Giant wheels are excellent.

Fully agree, Pete. I simply thought they were a lighter wheel.

I don’t know how light you expect includes wheels to be at this price point, considering that with 90%
of mid-range carbon bikes the first thing you want
to do is take the included aluminium wheels off, sell them at a big loss, and get the credit card (again) out for some new carbon hoops.

At least Giant makes very good carbon wheels in house that you actually want to keep and they keep the whole package cost low.

Honestly Scott, you don't need to labour the point.

bennettp23

Great input! Thanks.

I'm still a little confused about the sizing. As per the size chart I'm a Medium with 31 inch let and 5'10.5''. But I think people are saying M/L?

scotthunter

bennettp23 wrote:

Great input! Thanks.

I'm still a little confused about the sizing. As per the size chart I'm a Medium with 31 inch let and 5'10.5''. But I think people are saying M/L?

As you would seem to have proportionally short legs, I would go for Medium and put a 110mm stem on it. But I would drive to the bike store and try it first, and bring a spare Contact SL stem if they don’t stock any.

bennettp23

scotthunter wrote:

bennettp23 wrote:

Great input! Thanks.

I'm still a little confused about the sizing. As per the size chart I'm a Medium with 31 inch let and 5'10.5''. But I think people are saying M/L?

As you would seem to have proportionally short legs, I would go for Medium and put a 110mm stem on it. But I would drive to the bike store and try it first, and bring a spare Contact SL stem if they don’t stock any.

Now I feel like a freak

Thanks .

Ben6899

bennettp23 wrote:

Great input! Thanks.

I'm still a little confused about the sizing. As per the size chart I'm a Medium with 31 inch let and 5'10.5''. But I think people are saying M/L?

Medium all the way, mate. But try it first. I'm sure you'll agree.

bristolpete

The TCR is a strange beast.

The medium TCR has parallel seat and head tube angles with a 55cm top tube and 38.3 cm reach. It is a small compact frame under the rider.

The medium large TCR again parallel ST and HT has a 57cm top tube and 39.8 - more or less 40cm. The issue with the medium large as with these bikes is the low stand over and reasonable stack which makes it look deceptively small, but it is a long and low bike. Bike buyers compare it to a Large specialized or a Trek 56cm which both have mildly shorter head tubes / top tubes. The bikes are not to be confused.

I have had both and love the ride of a TCR for where I ride, but ultimately, I could not settle on a decent fit with either geo because I am a twat.

scotthunter

Just out of interest, how many times have you measured your inseam? The method I use is to stand barefoot facing a wall with just underwear, preferably on a hard floor, with a hard back book between your legs. Push it up until it can’t go any further. Then make the short edge touch the wall to form a right angle. Mark the wall with a pencil where the spine is horizontal with the wall. Measure from the floor to the line. Do this a few times along the wall and take the average.

Do it correctly and you may find that your inseam is longer than you thought. It may have bearing on your frame size choice.

BTW I’m 179cm (5’10.5) and have an inseam of 33cm (measured using the above method) and very comfortable on a ML TCR with a 100mm stem.

bristolpete

scotthunter wrote:

Just out of interest, how many times have you measured your inseam? The method I use is to stand barefoot facing a wall with just underwear, preferably on a hard floor, with a hard back book between your legs. Push it up until it can’t go any further. Then make the short edge touch the wall to form a right angle. Mark the wall with a pencil where the spine is horizontal with the wall. Measure from the floor to the line. Do this a few times along the wall and take the average.

Do it correctly and you may find that your inseam is longer than you thought. It may have bearing on your frame size choice.

BTW I’m 179cm (5’10.5) and have an inseam of 33cm (measured using the above method) and very comfortable on a ML TCR with a 100mm stem.

Not sure if for me or the OP but in terms of leg length both frames worked but one seemed to big one seemed to small.

bennettp23

scotthunter wrote:

Just out of interest, how many times have you measured your inseam? The method I use is to stand barefoot facing a wall with just underwear, preferably on a hard floor, with a hard back book between your legs. Push it up until it can’t go any further. Then make the short edge touch the wall to form a right angle. Mark the wall with a pencil where the spine is horizontal with the wall. Measure from the floor to the line. Do this a few times along the wall and take the average.

Do it correctly and you may find that your inseam is longer than you thought. It may have bearing on your frame size choice.

BTW I’m 179cm (5’10.5) and have an inseam of 33cm (measured using the above method) and very comfortable on a ML TCR with a 100mm stem.

Thanks Scott. I've done the measurement and it is coming out at about 32 inches!

However, what does make me nervous about the M/L is that I currently have a Boardman Team Large and it is too big. I've shortened the stema dn have the seat very much forward to compensate. I don't particualry like being stretched out. So I still think I'm edging to a M.

Without being very experienced on different bikes my knowledge is a little sketchy. I'm thinking the M but what is the issue of having a slightly too small bike (if it turned out it was?)

Thanks so much everyone, the input on here is amazing - impressed that people take the time to help so much.

scotthunter

Given that your legs are an inch shorter than mine it sounds like the medium with a 110mm stem will be a safer bet, but you will probably be happy on either if set up correctly. The medium has a 20mm shorter top tube - as you are at the upper end of the medium
sizing chart you may want to increase the reach slightly by swapping to the 110mm stem over the 100mm one that comes with the M.

The advantage of the smaller bike is a slight weight saving and the shorter wheelbase may improve handling slightly (although you’ll feel more confident descending on a larger bike).

joe_totale-2

I like riding a bike that's slightly too small, it feels more snappy and responsive. Most pro's ride a bike that's at least a size too small and compensate with a long stem.
As stated in many places, always better to have a frame that's a bit too small than one too large.
I ride a M/L but I'm 6 foot tall with 34" legs and it's great for me with a 120mm stem. If I were you I'd go for an M.

The main issue with a small frame is an increased chance of toe overlap but that's more of an issue with mountain bikes or CX bikes, not racing bikes like a TCR.

scotthunter

And don’t forget to slam that stem! It just doesn’t handle like a TCR should if you run lots of spacers under the stem.

bennettp23

Brill - Medium it is.

Thanks again!

bennettp23

Pro O ordered.

bendertherobot

I know it was more but I think that's the right choice.

In other good news my TCR shifter is fixed and I get it back tomorrow. It's only been 7 weeks.

bennettp23

bendertherobot wrote:

I know it was more but I think that's the right choice.

In other good news my TCR shifter is fixed and I get it back tomorrow. It's only been 7 weeks.