This years Advanced 1 or last year's Advanced 0?

bennettp23

Hi,

What do you guys think of these two bikes and which would you go for?

2018 Advanced Pro 0:
https://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/giant-tcr-advanced-pro-0.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI19r4gOXu4gIVh6ztCh1TSAz1EAQYAiABEgJcMfD_BwE

Or

2019 Advanced Pro 1:
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/tcr-advanced-pro-1

Similar costs but I don't know what the developments where on the 2019? I know the 2018 Pro O has Dura Ace which attracts me but does that make up for the 2019 developments?

I think the wheels are the same?

I was looking at disc brakes but I don't do lots and lots of downhill or wet and so have convinced myself I shouldn't limit my decision to disk only bikes and concentrate on other aspects. I have ridden an older TCR and liked it. There is also a thought of the Emonda SL6.....

sloppyschleckonds

For fatties who ride a lot in the rain disc brakes would probably be preferable

Go dura ace, probably no changes in frame make up

chippyk

Both will be perfectly good bikes. So it boils down to which one do you like the look of most? Buy that one.

bennettp23

Thanks Both.

It seems like a bit of a secret about what changes to the frame there are between years - maybe that means no much .

The 2018 model is looking the best if the frame is the same.

Thanks!

redvision

Send bendertherobot a pm as he had similar conundrum not long ago and may be able to offer some good advice

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bristolpete

Effectively the same bike in terms of frame and contact points.

The key difference aside from the groupset is the wheels. The 2019 comes with 42mm wheels as stock where as the 18 or older run 30mm version. Both a SLR1 which are round spokes and mildly heavier hubs than the zero versions. But both excellent wheels for recreational riders. 42mm a tad more aero for free speed on the flats.

It boils down to which one you prefer in looks as the 2019 has 'high viz' paint under light or would you prefer a black and blue bike.

Nice one. Both very good bikes tbh.

If you can ride a medium large, buy this one. Noticed it the other week. This was the 2018 frameset option which Pedal on have built up as a Dura Ace bike. Looks mint in the pearl white and orange.

https://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/Gian ... xx8104513x

bennettp23

bristolpete wrote:

Effectively the same bike in terms of frame and contact points.

The key difference aside from the groupset is the wheels. The 2019 comes with 42mm wheels as stock where as the 18 or older run 30mm version. Both a SLR1 which are round spokes and mildly heavier hubs than the zero versions. But both excellent wheels for recreational riders. 42mm a tad more aero for free speed on the flats.

It boils down to which one you prefer in looks as the 2019 has 'high viz' paint under light or would you prefer a black and blue bike.

Nice one. Both very good bikes tbh.

If you can ride a medium large, buy this one. Noticed it the other week. This was the 2018 frameset option which Pedal on have built up as a Dura Ace bike. Looks mint in the pearl white and orange.

https://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/Gian ... xx8104513x

Thanks Pete! Think I can live with the shallower wheels, not sure I would notice too much.

I think my original link is the same bike as the white one but just in black and blue?

I’m just under 5’11’’ so was looking at a M but as per the size chart I think I can also do the M/L.

bristolpete

bennettp23 wrote:

bristolpete wrote:

Effectively the same bike in terms of frame and contact points.

The key difference aside from the groupset is the wheels. The 2019 comes with 42mm wheels as stock where as the 18 or older run 30mm version. Both a SLR1 which are round spokes and mildly heavier hubs than the zero versions. But both excellent wheels for recreational riders. 42mm a tad more aero for free speed on the flats.

It boils down to which one you prefer in looks as the 2019 has 'high viz' paint under light or would you prefer a black and blue bike.

Nice one. Both very good bikes tbh.

If you can ride a medium large, buy this one. Noticed it the other week. This was the 2018 frameset option which Pedal on have built up as a Dura Ace bike. Looks mint in the pearl white and orange.

https://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/Gian ... xx8104513x

Thanks Pete! Think I can live with the shallower wheels, not sure I would notice too much.

I think my original link is the same bike as the white one but just in black and blue?

I’m just under 5’11’’ so was looking at a M but as per the size chart I think I can also do the M/L.

I would go ML tbh.

Medium despite the reach figure is a small bike. The ML white/orange bike they built up with Dura Ace is a beauty and would climb like a rat on acid. Get.it.bought.

bendertherobot

I think you need a ML. My conundrum was pretty much all wheel size related. I went 2018 disc and shallower wheels.

The DA bike is £200 cheaper, get that one.

bennettp23

bendertherobot wrote:

I think you need a ML. My conundrum was pretty much all wheel size related. I went 2018 disc and shallower wheels.

The DA bike is £200 cheaper, get that one.

And now I've found the Ultegra version at £2,099. I've read a bit about DA vs Ultegra and not sure if DA is worth the extra 500 for me as a keen but recreational rider?


https://www.paulscycles.co.uk/555/products/giant-tcr-advanced-pro-1-road-bike-2018-blackred.aspx?currency=GBP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3rD2osPw4gIV7QDTCh0UQQPjEAQYASABEgKKIvD_BwE#infospec

Desperate to buy either the DA or Ultegra ASAP... but which one....

bendertherobot

bennettp23 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

I think you need a ML. My conundrum was pretty much all wheel size related. I went 2018 disc and shallower wheels.

The DA bike is £200 cheaper, get that one.

And now I've found the Ultegra version at £2,099. I've read a bit about DA vs Ultegra and not sure if DA is worth the extra 500 for me as a keen but recreational rider?


https://www.paulscycles.co.uk/555/products/giant-tcr-advanced-pro-1-road-bike-2018-blackred.aspx?currency=GBP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3rD2osPw4gIV7QDTCh0UQQPjEAQYASABEgKKIvD_BwE#infospec

Desperate to buy either the DA or Ultegra ASAP... but which one....

Annoyingly, that was £1799 not so long ago at Pedalon.....anyhow.

They're the same bike. The DA probably isn't worth £500.

Also, I wonder, might you want to change to a compact and 11-34 mech at some point for climbing? If so, get the Ultegra and spend the money there.

bennettp23

Perfect thanks bendertherobot!

bendertherobot wrote:

bennettp23 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

I think you need a ML. My conundrum was pretty much all wheel size related. I went 2018 disc and shallower wheels.

The DA bike is £200 cheaper, get that one.

And now I've found the Ultegra version at £2,099. I've read a bit about DA vs Ultegra and not sure if DA is worth the extra 500 for me as a keen but recreational rider?


https://www.paulscycles.co.uk/555/products/giant-tcr-advanced-pro-1-road-bike-2018-blackred.aspx?currency=GBP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3rD2osPw4gIV7QDTCh0UQQPjEAQYASABEgKKIvD_BwE#infospec

Desperate to buy either the DA or Ultegra ASAP... but which one....

Annoyingly, that was £1799 not so long ago at Pedalon.....anyhow.

They're the same bike. The DA probably isn't worth £500.

Also, I wonder, might you want to change to a compact and 11-34 mech at some point for climbing? If so, get the Ultegra and spend the money there.

Ben6899

bennettp23 wrote:

bristolpete wrote:

Effectively the same bike in terms of frame and contact points.

The key difference aside from the groupset is the wheels. The 2019 comes with 42mm wheels as stock where as the 18 or older run 30mm version. Both a SLR1 which are round spokes and mildly heavier hubs than the zero versions. But both excellent wheels for recreational riders. 42mm a tad more aero for free speed on the flats.

It boils down to which one you prefer in looks as the 2019 has 'high viz' paint under light or would you prefer a black and blue bike.

Nice one. Both very good bikes tbh.

If you can ride a medium large, buy this one. Noticed it the other week. This was the 2018 frameset option which Pedal on have built up as a Dura Ace bike. Looks mint in the pearl white and orange.

https://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/Gian ... xx8104513x

Thanks Pete! Think I can live with the shallower wheels, not sure I would notice too much.

I think my original link is the same bike as the white one but just in black and blue?

I’m just under 5’11’’ so was looking at a M but as per the size chart I think I can also do the M/L.

I'm a touch over 5'11" and was given an M/L in Mallorca when we hired bikes. It was too long.

bendertherobot

There was another thread here somewhere on that issue, I think. Chap with a 33" leg. Think he was struggling too.

bennettp23

bendertherobot wrote:

There was another thread here somewhere on that issue, I think. Chap with a 33" leg. Think he was struggling too.

My leg is 31 so I think a M is best.

bennettp23

OK - at the risk of becoming a right pain in the a$$. I've had another thought.

I have some Campy Shamal Ultra wheels that are only about 500 miles old. I'm not sure the 30mm SLR-1s are much better or better than my Campy's?

So another idea is to get the TCR Advanced 0 2018 with Di2 and put on my Shamal Ultras this would then be £1800 and I could then sell the PR2 wheels anyway?

https://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/giant-tcr-advanced-0.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5LfDyZTx4gIVZpPtCh1UzgCDEAQYAiABEgLix_D_BwE

Overall (assuming I prefer electronic) I think this would be better than the Pro 1 below and cheaper still:

https://www.paulscycles.co.uk/555/products/giant-tcr-advanced-pro-1-road-bike-2018-blackred.aspx?currency=GBP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi7iwo4bx4gIVykPTCh1-HQHtEAkYASABEgJKLPD_BwE

bristolpete

bennettp23 wrote:

OK - at the risk of becoming a right pain in the a$$. I've had another thought.

I have some Campy Shamal Ultra wheels that are only about 500 miles old. I'm not sure the 30mm SLR-1s are much better or better than my Campy's?

So another idea is to get the TCR Advanced 0 2018 with Di2 and put on my Shamal Ultras this would then be £1800 and I could then sell the PR2 wheels anyway?

https://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/giant-tcr-advanced-0.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5LfDyZTx4gIVZpPtCh1UzgCDEAQYAiABEgLix_D_BwE

Overall (assuming I prefer electronic) I think this would be better than the Pro 1 below and cheaper still:

https://www.paulscycles.co.uk/555/products/giant-tcr-advanced-pro-1-road-bike-2018-blackred.aspx?currency=GBP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi7iwo4bx4gIVykPTCh1-HQHtEAkYASABEgJKLPD_BwE

TCR adv 0 a different bike. Alloy steerer 1/ 8th steerer. Still a good bike, but not a adv pro in my opinion.

Giant frame heirarchy as follows

Advanced.
Advanced Pro.
Advanced Pro SL.

bennettp23

Any idea how my Campy shamal ultras compare to the 30mm slr 1 wheels please?

Ben6899

They're almost certainly heavier, no?

bennettp23

Just looked. Official figures put the Giant 50g lighter at 1425g so nothing in it really.

Ben6899

Those SLRs come in heavier than I'd expect, to be honest. I'm a big fan of Campagnolo wheels so I'd lean towards the option of swapping the SLRs out for the Shamals.

Just been looking at geometry and size guides on the Giant website. I'm really surprised that they indicate a M/L - with 570mm TT - could be suited to someone who's 177cm tall. I just can't see how that works.

scotthunter

I own the 2018 TCR Advanced Pro 1. You could buy it instead and save yourself £500 if you aren’t bothered about the few grams of weight saving that DuraAce gives you over Ultegra R8000. I personally would
rule out the 2019 Advanced Pro while there are
still 2018 models around as you are paying £700 for
very little difference and 2020 models will be around the corner soon. Like you I am 5”11 and went for the Medium Large, but be prepared to swap the 110mm stem for a 100mm one for optimum fit. Great value bike - 7.3kg for only £2099.

https://www.paulscycles.co.uk/555/produ ... fMEALw_wcB

I personally prefer the pant job on mine. Unlike the two models you are looking at, my one is full gloss instead of a mix of gloss and matt. The neon orange looks a million dollars when it’s clean and has been polished with Muck Off protector spray. The clear coat also protects the paint from scratches.

Check out You Tube for owner reviews, there are a few good ones on there for the models mentioned above.

jdee84

Ben6899 wrote:

Those SLRs come in heavier than I'd expect, to be honest. I'm a big fan of Campagnolo wheels so I'd lean towards the option of swapping the SLRs out for the Shamals.

Just been looking at geometry and size guides on the Giant website. I'm really surprised that they indicate a M/L - with 570mm TT - could be suited to someone who's 177cm tall. I just can't see how that works.

i was about to say given the OP has an inside leg of 31'' that an M/L may be better as they likely have a longer torso proportionally but checked the geometry and was surpirse it was 570mm

scotthunter

Ben6899 wrote:

Those SLRs come in heavier than I'd expect, to be honest. I'm a big fan of Campagnolo wheels so I'd lean towards the option of swapping the SLRs out for the Shamals.

Are you joking? I have that bike and my front SLR1 wheel, tyre, sealant weighs just 985g (with Conti GP5K). Tell me another £2000 bike that comes with a 1380g carbon wheelset included.

Ben6899

scotthunter wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Those SLRs come in heavier than I'd expect, to be honest. I'm a big fan of Campagnolo wheels so I'd lean towards the option of swapping the SLRs out for the Shamals.

Are you joking? I have that bike and my front SLR1 wheel, tyre, sealant weighs just 985g (with Conti GP5K). Tell me another £2000 bike that comes with a 1380g carbon wheelset included.

1425g

But no, I'm serious. I thought the SLRs were lighter.

You don't need to jump to the defence of Giant's off-the-peg bike offers.

scotthunter

Ben6899 wrote:

scotthunter wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Those SLRs come in heavier than I'd expect, to be honest. I'm a big fan of Campagnolo wheels so I'd lean towards the option of swapping the SLRs out for the Shamals.

Are you joking? I have that bike and my front SLR1 wheel, tyre, sealant weighs just 985g (with Conti GP5K). Tell me another £2000 bike that comes with a 1380g carbon wheelset included.

1425g

But no, I'm serious. I thought the SLRs were lighter.

You don't need to jump to the defence of Giant's off-the-peg bike offers.

Well I have the 30mm climbing wheelset and they are 1380g. Sure, there are lighter rims on the market, but ones that come included with a sub £3k bike?

Ben6899

scotthunter wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

scotthunter wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Those SLRs come in heavier than I'd expect, to be honest. I'm a big fan of Campagnolo wheels so I'd lean towards the option of swapping the SLRs out for the Shamals.

Are you joking? I have that bike and my front SLR1 wheel, tyre, sealant weighs just 985g (with Conti GP5K). Tell me another £2000 bike that comes with a 1380g carbon wheelset included.

1425g

But no, I'm serious. I thought the SLRs were lighter.

You don't need to jump to the defence of Giant's off-the-peg bike offers.

Well I have the 30mm climbing wheelset and they are 1380g. Sure, there are lighter rims on the market, but ones that come included with a sub £3k bike?

I have no idea. I don't buy off-the-peg.

bristolpete

Not just about weight. Those Giant wheels are excellent. The dynamic lacing allows them to leap forward and personally, have done some brutal hills in Devon on a set and no complaints. Put a pro one tubeless on them and fab wheels.

scotthunter

bristolpete wrote:

Not just about weight. Those Giant wheels are excellent. The dynamic lacing allows them to leap forward and personally, have done some brutal hills in Devon on a set and no complaints. Put a pro one tubeless on them and fab wheels.

Or Continental GP5000 TL

Ben6899

bristolpete wrote:

Not just about weight. Those Giant wheels are excellent.

Fully agree, Pete. I simply thought they were a lighter wheel.

scotthunter

Ben6899 wrote:

bristolpete wrote:

Not just about weight. Those Giant wheels are excellent.

Fully agree, Pete. I simply thought they were a lighter wheel.

I don’t know how light you expect includes wheels to be at this price point, considering that with 90%
of mid-range carbon bikes the first thing you want
to do is take the included aluminium wheels off, sell them at a big loss, and get the credit card (again) out for some new carbon hoops.

At least Giant makes very good carbon wheels in house that you actually want to keep and they keep the whole package cost low.