Jo Brand and Battery Acid
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rjsterry wrote:john80 wrote:Whats the one thing that Acid can improve the looks of? Jo Brands Face. Its only a joke but given the leeway Brands been given on this forum I am sure you will have no problems with the joke. Should I add some rubbish about it being a fantasy and maybe an apology that goes along the lines of Sorry but I don't think I have anything to apologise for. Works for Brand so it should work for everyone.
Ooooooooh, so you do think it's acceptable to make jokes about throwing acid over someone. Then we're good.0 -
Slowbike wrote:Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:I didn't read John's continuation as being happy to see Brand being doused in acid - just that he would have little sympathy should it happen now she's made that "joke". But that's just how I read it....
Happy versus ambivalent; does the distinction make much difference?
Are you sure? Would you also think it much less bad if someone said that they didn't mind if someone got raped rather than that they were in favour of someone getting raped?
I think that violent crime is a bad thing and nobody should be a victim of it - for me there is no further distinction; It's not something that anyone should really be "OK" with.
How can anyone have mixed views on this sort of thing anyway? Try finishing the sentence "Jo Brand had acid thrown in her face and is going to have to suffer years of surgery but, on the bright side,.......".Faster than a tent.......0 -
Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:I didn't read John's continuation as being happy to see Brand being doused in acid - just that he would have little sympathy should it happen now she's made that "joke". But that's just how I read it....
Happy versus ambivalent; does the distinction make much difference?
Are you sure? Would you also think it much less bad if someone said that they didn't mind if someone got raped rather than that they were in favour of someone getting raped?
I think that violent crime is a bad thing and nobody should be a victim of it - for me there is no further distinction; It's not something that anyone should really be "OK" with.
How can anyone have mixed views on this sort of thing anyway? Try finishing the sentence "Jo Brand had acid thrown in her face and is going to have to suffer years of surgery but, on the bright side,.......".
i think that is a little harsh as a comparison - i don't agree with him btw.... but.....
he is suggesting that he would have little sympathy because her actions led to it happening - a more fair comparison would be to say that you'd have little sympathy if a drunk driver crashed into a tree but that doesn't mean you want them to.www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
Chris Bass wrote:he is suggesting that he would have little sympathy because her actions led to it happening - a more fair comparison would be to say that you'd have little sympathy if a drunk driver crashed into a tree but that doesn't mean you want them to.0
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Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:I didn't read John's continuation as being happy to see Brand being doused in acid - just that he would have little sympathy should it happen now she's made that "joke". But that's just how I read it....
Happy versus ambivalent; does the distinction make much difference?
Are you sure? Would you also think it much less bad if someone said that they didn't mind if someone got raped rather than that they were in favour of someone getting raped?
I think that violent crime is a bad thing and nobody should be a victim of it - for me there is no further distinction; It's not something that anyone should really be "OK" with.
How can anyone have mixed views on this sort of thing anyway? Try finishing the sentence "Jo Brand had acid thrown in her face and is going to have to suffer years of surgery but, on the bright side,.......".
If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a bitch. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.0 -
john80 wrote:Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:I didn't read John's continuation as being happy to see Brand being doused in acid - just that he would have little sympathy should it happen now she's made that "joke". But that's just how I read it....
Happy versus ambivalent; does the distinction make much difference?
Are you sure? Would you also think it much less bad if someone said that they didn't mind if someone got raped rather than that they were in favour of someone getting raped?
I think that violent crime is a bad thing and nobody should be a victim of it - for me there is no further distinction; It's not something that anyone should really be "OK" with.
How can anyone have mixed views on this sort of thing anyway? Try finishing the sentence "Jo Brand had acid thrown in her face and is going to have to suffer years of surgery but, on the bright side,.......".
If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Wow. What a vindictive piece of work you are.
It is also starting to sound like you just have a massive fixation with Jo Brand.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
if i am reading that right, are you saying if the rapist isn't caught then they are a "winner" in this scenario?
secondly, you just made a joke about rape so in your world there should be no sympathy, or at least less sympathy, for you if you now get raped.www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Brand didn't ever make a joke about it being OK to throw acid on someone: her words before and after the punchline (and the whole context: FFS the show is called Heresy) made it clear that she was saying something that she knew was transgressive (that's a word that means "bad", just in case there's anyone here ;-) who needs one-syllable words). That's what comedians do, you know: say things that would be bad if they really meant them.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking:
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bompington wrote:john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Brand didn't ever make a joke about it being OK to throw acid on someone: her words before and after the punchline (and the whole context: FFS the show is called Heresy) made it clear that she was saying something that she knew was transgressive (that's a word that means "bad", just in case there's anyone here ;-) who needs one-syllable words). That's what comedians do, you know: say things that would be bad if they really meant them.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking:
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS A JOKE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY
I made a joke above but you are all reading a bit too deep are you not. Sorry just following your logic to its obvious conclusion. Should I put before and after it that its a joke maybe in coloured writing and then offer and apology that is not actually an apology.
I have copied her words in below again for your reference as you seem to have forgot or got so blinded by the Brand that her words mean something special to you.
‘Certain unpleasant characters are being thrown to the fore, and they’re very, very easy to hate.
Then she added: ’I’m kind of thinking, why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?
‘That’s just me, sorry, I’m not gonna do it, it’s purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do. Sorry.’0 -
bompington wrote:john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Brand didn't ever make a joke about it being OK to throw acid on someone: her words before and after the punchline (and the whole context: FFS the show is called Heresy) made it clear that she was saying something that she knew was transgressive (that's a word that means "bad", just in case there's anyone here ;-) who needs one-syllable words). That's what comedians do, you know: say things that would be bad if they really meant them.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking:
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS A JOKE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY
I made a joke above but you are all reading a bit too deep are you not. Sorry just following your logic to its obvious conclusion. Should I put before and after it that its a joke maybe in coloured writing and then offer and apology that is not actually an apology.
I have copied her words in below again for your reference as you seem to have forgot or got so blinded by the Brand that her words mean something special to you.
‘Certain unpleasant characters are being thrown to the fore, and they’re very, very easy to hate.
Then she added: ’I’m kind of thinking, why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?
‘That’s just me, sorry, I’m not gonna do it, it’s purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do. Sorry.’0 -
Chris Bass wrote:john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
if i am reading that right, are you saying if the rapist isn't caught then they are a "winner" in this scenario?
secondly, you just made a joke about rape so in your world there should be no sympathy, or at least less sympathy, for you if you now get raped.
I would read that again and try some comprehension. The bit, "However in all these scenarios there is no winner" is pretty clear.0 -
john80 wrote:bompington wrote:john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Brand didn't ever make a joke about it being OK to throw acid on someone: her words before and after the punchline (and the whole context: FFS the show is called Heresy) made it clear that she was saying something that she knew was transgressive (that's a word that means "bad", just in case there's anyone here ;-) who needs one-syllable words). That's what comedians do, you know: say things that would be bad if they really meant them.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking:
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS A JOKE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY
I made a joke above but you are all reading a bit too deep are you not. Sorry just following your logic to its obvious conclusion. Should I put before and after it that its a joke maybe in coloured writing and then offer and apology that is not actually an apology.
I have copied her words in below again for your reference as you seem to have forgot or got so blinded by the Brand that her words mean something special to you.
‘Certain unpleasant characters are being thrown to the fore, and they’re very, very easy to hate.
Then she added: ’I’m kind of thinking, why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?
‘That’s just me, sorry, I’m not gonna do it, it’s purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do. Sorry.’
So if you are happy to make such jokes on a public forum, what's your beef with Brand?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:john80 wrote:bompington wrote:john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Brand didn't ever make a joke about it being OK to throw acid on someone: her words before and after the punchline (and the whole context: FFS the show is called Heresy) made it clear that she was saying something that she knew was transgressive (that's a word that means "bad", just in case there's anyone here ;-) who needs one-syllable words). That's what comedians do, you know: say things that would be bad if they really meant them.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking:
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS A JOKE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY
I made a joke above but you are all reading a bit too deep are you not. Sorry just following your logic to its obvious conclusion. Should I put before and after it that its a joke maybe in coloured writing and then offer and apology that is not actually an apology.
I have copied her words in below again for your reference as you seem to have forgot or got so blinded by the Brand that her words mean something special to you.
‘Certain unpleasant characters are being thrown to the fore, and they’re very, very easy to hate.
Then she added: ’I’m kind of thinking, why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?
‘That’s just me, sorry, I’m not gonna do it, it’s purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do. Sorry.’
So if you are happy to make such jokes on a public forum, what's your beef with Brand?
I don't have a beef with Brand. The jokes were merely a method of flushing those out such as yourself that were earlier supporting Brand as it was all just a big joke. Funny thing is that when I start cracking jokes related to the subject that for the record were deliberately crass and quite possibly not funny it is seen as unacceptable. Maybe you guys should take a step back and reflect on the double standard.0 -
john80 wrote:rjsterry wrote:john80 wrote:bompington wrote:john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Brand didn't ever make a joke about it being OK to throw acid on someone: her words before and after the punchline (and the whole context: FFS the show is called Heresy) made it clear that she was saying something that she knew was transgressive (that's a word that means "bad", just in case there's anyone here ;-) who needs one-syllable words). That's what comedians do, you know: say things that would be bad if they really meant them.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking:
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS A JOKE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY
I made a joke above but you are all reading a bit too deep are you not. Sorry just following your logic to its obvious conclusion. Should I put before and after it that its a joke maybe in coloured writing and then offer and apology that is not actually an apology.
I have copied her words in below again for your reference as you seem to have forgot or got so blinded by the Brand that her words mean something special to you.
‘Certain unpleasant characters are being thrown to the fore, and they’re very, very easy to hate.
Then she added: ’I’m kind of thinking, why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?
‘That’s just me, sorry, I’m not gonna do it, it’s purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do. Sorry.’
So if you are happy to make such jokes on a public forum, what's your beef with Brand?
I don't have a beef with Brand. The jokes were merely a method of flushing those out such as yourself that were earlier supporting Brand as it was all just a big joke. Funny thing is that when I start cracking jokes related to the subject that for the record were deliberately crass and quite possibly not funny it is seen as unacceptable. Maybe you guys should take a step back and reflect on the double standard.
I don't see people saying it's unacceptable, just suggesting that you are a total hypocrite and are apparently now lying to cover it up.0 -
john80 wrote:rjsterry wrote:john80 wrote:bompington wrote:john80 wrote:If Jo Brand made a joke about it being OK to rape a certain section of the public in this case politicians and then was raped herself then I would have significantly less sympathy with her than some random member of the public who had not made these type of jokes. Karma is a *****. However in all these scenarios there is no winner as generally the police catch serious criminals and then we bang them up at significant expense and Jo Brand suffers the effects of being a victim of crime. However in this case it might be the only shag she has had all year so on the bright side.
Brand didn't ever make a joke about it being OK to throw acid on someone: her words before and after the punchline (and the whole context: FFS the show is called Heresy) made it clear that she was saying something that she knew was transgressive (that's a word that means "bad", just in case there's anyone here ;-) who needs one-syllable words). That's what comedians do, you know: say things that would be bad if they really meant them.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking:
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS A JOKE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY
I made a joke above but you are all reading a bit too deep are you not. Sorry just following your logic to its obvious conclusion. Should I put before and after it that its a joke maybe in coloured writing and then offer and apology that is not actually an apology.
I have copied her words in below again for your reference as you seem to have forgot or got so blinded by the Brand that her words mean something special to you.
‘Certain unpleasant characters are being thrown to the fore, and they’re very, very easy to hate.
Then she added: ’I’m kind of thinking, why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?
‘That’s just me, sorry, I’m not gonna do it, it’s purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do. Sorry.’
So if you are happy to make such jokes on a public forum, what's your beef with Brand?
I don't have a beef with Brand. The jokes were merely a method of flushing those out such as yourself that were earlier supporting Brand as it was all just a big joke. Funny thing is that when I start cracking jokes related to the subject that for the record were deliberately crass and quite possibly not funny it is seen as unacceptable. Maybe you guys should take a step back and reflect on the double standard.
Make sure you put on your hazard lights when you're backing up.
Do point out where I've said your comments were unacceptable.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It was a joke. Well, I very much doubt it was a prewritten joke, one that has been thought out and scripted, just someone making up a throwaway joke.
I don't understand the fuss. If anything the crime should be that it isn't funny, not because of the acid thing, just because it simply isn't really a decent joke, but you have to let her off as it probably wasn't even prewritten and she isn't even witty really. She's a one (crap) trick pony.
It also shouldn't be taken in the context of Jo Brand being a comedian, because if she is she's a crap one as all she ever does is mention cake or her husband and somehow has made a career out of it. Audiences have a very low standard for what's funny, they must do or people like Andy Parsons or Lenny Henry would never sell a single ticket.0 -
Ah, the old "I don't like them, therefore they are crap and anyone who enjoys them is an idiot" argument. Do let us know which comedians clever people like.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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mfin wrote:It also shouldn't be taken in the context of Jo Brand being a comedian, because if she is she's a crap one as all she ever does is mention cake or her husband and somehow has made a career out of it.
This thread must be all one big misunderstanding.0 -
Slowbike wrote:rjsterry wrote:Ah, the old "I don't like them, therefore they are crap and anyone who enjoys them is an idiot" argument. Do let us know which comedians clever people like.
well - a quick search on "Jo Brand Jokes" returns a very short list ....
What? Which comedians do you know who post all their material online?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:Ah, the old "I don't like them, therefore they are crap and anyone who enjoys them is an idiot" argument. Do let us know which comedians clever people like.
Bob Newhart.0 -
There's a few on here I think need to learn boundaries. Making a joke about rape to try and win an argument that can't really be won! Hmmmm! Time for a thread to be culled I think. It's gone too far. Time for some people to take a step back from the forum for a little time to join the real world again.
I think some comments on this thread made where I work would get you shot down. You'd not get away with them. Rough diamonds but they have their positive sides. They know boundaries in taste and what you really shouldn't say even if you have the freedom to do so.0 -
There's merit in the OP argument that the joke wasn't absurd enough, in other words in the current climate it is conceivable that someone would throw battery acid at a politician.
Dead Ringers on R4 on Friday night did a 'bit' on Lorraine Kelly battering Esther McVey with a Pride of Britain award. No difference in principle here but no controversy.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
rjsterry wrote:Slowbike wrote:rjsterry wrote:Ah, the old "I don't like them, therefore they are crap and anyone who enjoys them is an idiot" argument. Do let us know which comedians clever people like.
well - a quick search on "Jo Brand Jokes" returns a very short list ....
What? Which comedians do you know who post all their material online?
Search any well known comedian and you'll usually get a list of their best 100 jokes .... if you don't - are they funny?
didn't think so ...0 -
Slowbike wrote:rjsterry wrote:Slowbike wrote:rjsterry wrote:Ah, the old "I don't like them, therefore they are crap and anyone who enjoys them is an idiot" argument. Do let us know which comedians clever people like.
well - a quick search on "Jo Brand Jokes" returns a very short list ....
What? Which comedians do you know who post all their material online?
Search any well known comedian and you'll usually get a list of their best 100 jokes .... if you don't - are they funny?
didn't think so ...I was worried about my health, so I went to see my GP. I said “Is it too late for me as a fat middle aged woman?” He said “No, it’s never too late, just do something a couple of times a week that gets you slightly out of breath.”
So I started smoking again.0 -
I stand by my previous reply.....0
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Slowbike wrote:I stand by my previous reply.....
I just did a google search for Jo Brand jokes and picked one. I'm not sure that number of google search results is really a guarantee of quality. Bobby Davro did a joke book if that's your thing.0 -
Slowbike wrote:I stand by my previous reply.....
Personally I think her acting is much better than her comedy, but here's the list from her Wikipedia page.
British Comedy Award 1992: Top comedy club performer
British Comedy Award 1995: Best stand-up comic
British Comedy Award 2010: Best female TV comic
BAFTA 2011: Best Female Performance in a Comedy Role
British Comedy Award 2012: Best female TV comic
Clearly some people find her funny; some don't. It's just a matter of taste.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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